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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 16:26:34 GMT -5
“Our problem is how to be free from all conditioning. Either you say it is impossible, that no human mind can ever be free from conditioning, or you begin to experiment, to inquire, to discover." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti
what can said about conditioning?
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 16:44:53 GMT -5
If you started this thread, then you had to have some of your own ideas about the subject.
I'd like it if you'd give a little peek at what gave you the impetus to start such a thread...what motivated you.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 1, 2013 17:19:38 GMT -5
“Our problem is how to be free from all conditioning. Either you say it is impossible, that no human mind can ever be free from conditioning, or you begin to experiment, to inquire, to discover." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti what can said about conditioning? conditioning happens but not all the time, it happens to the body/mind but does not touch the Self. Example is in deep sleep you are nor cannot be conditioned in deep sleep. It's one reason why deep sleep is such a comfort and rest for the wearing non stop body/mind. We all have deep sleep so all of us experience being who we truly are without even a hint of conditioning. Nowhereman
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Post by steven on Oct 1, 2013 18:22:05 GMT -5
In Advaita Vedanta, conditioning is referred to as Vasanas.
Clearing the Vasanas/Conditioning, and the habitual desires and mind movement that result is an integral part of the "practice" component of Advaita Vedanta
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Post by Beingist on Oct 1, 2013 18:29:01 GMT -5
what can said about conditioning?
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Post by entropy on Oct 1, 2013 18:40:58 GMT -5
In Advaita Vedanta, conditioning is referred to as Vasanas. Clearing the Vasanas/Conditioning, and the habitual desires and mind movement that result is an integral part of the "practice" component of Advaita Vedanta How does one perform this practice?
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 18:53:39 GMT -5
I know this is going to sound too simple-minded, but I think how we treat one another has a lot to do with it.
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 18:59:19 GMT -5
“Our problem is how to be free from all conditioning. Either you say it is impossible, that no human mind can ever be free from conditioning, or you begin to experiment, to inquire, to discover." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti what can said about conditioning? conditioning happens but not all the time, it happens to the body/mind but does not touch the Self. Example is in deep sleep you are nor cannot be conditioned in deep sleep. It's one reason why deep sleep is such a comfort and rest for the wearing non stop body/mind. We all have deep sleep so all of us experience being who we truly are without even a hint of conditioning.Nowhereman But can you call it an experience?
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 19:11:11 GMT -5
I know this is going to sound too simple-minded, but I think how we treat one another has a lot to do with it. I think conditioning determines how we treat one another, but I don't believe the opposite is true.
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Post by steven on Oct 1, 2013 19:11:37 GMT -5
I know this is going to sound too simple-minded, but I think how we treat one another has a lot to do with it. It does on a real basic level, in that, when one is continually acting selfishly, or doing things like lying and stealing or being greedy or dishonest seems to more firmly entrench one in the self and perpetuate habitual movement and absorption in movement. I have been contemplating the Eight Fold path of Patanjali, and the last three of the eight are Dh?rana (concentrative attention) Dhayana (meditation) and Samadhi (complete absorption of self into God Union) but there are 6 other aspects, and they all relate to human behaviors like lack of greed, dishonesty, etc....it seems as though this is integral in not staying absorbed in the movement of a self.
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Post by steven on Oct 1, 2013 19:23:21 GMT -5
In Advaita Vedanta, conditioning is referred to as Vasanas. Clearing the Vasanas/Conditioning, and the habitual desires and mind movement that result is an integral part of the "practice" component of Advaita Vedanta How does one perform this practice? Advaita Vedanta has countless practices for this, the variations are designed so that one may find what works for each person. The most well known, owing to Ramana and Niz, os to keep silent still attention continuously upon the self, or I Am....Ramana offered a means of doing this by suggesting that one always inquires: Who am I and when thoughts, desires, or reactions to life arise that one may get absorbed in or draw attention away from the self, one simply inquires with silent still attention: Who is having this desire, who is having this thought or emotion, who is having this reaction? and in so doing, the inquiry returns one to still silent attention on the self, or I Am. Still Silent Attention held on anything opens into meditation, and meditation opens into Samadhi, or the absorption of self into eternal existence. Continuously inquiring "Who am I or Who is thinking etc..." keeps one from being absorbed in the movements of conditioning and desires and attachments. When one is absorbed in the movements of conditioning, desires, and attachments, one perpetuates them and keeps the momentum of the movement of self going. When one Continuously brings still silent attention back to the self, one removes the momentum of conditioning.
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Post by silence on Oct 1, 2013 19:51:43 GMT -5
“Our problem is how to be free from all conditioning. Either you say it is impossible, that no human mind can ever be free from conditioning, or you begin to experiment, to inquire, to discover." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti what can said about conditioning? Mind doesn't and can not be freed from anything except it's own self created insanity. Thinking you are going to start thinking and acting outside of your conditioning is part of that insanity. Unconditioned is a pointer to a pre-existing untouched freedom that must be realized. The unique experience that seekers are trying to eradicate in favor of some singular ideal is completely missing the point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 20:05:29 GMT -5
If you started this thread, then you had to have some of your own ideas about the subject. I'd like it if you'd give a little peek at what gave you the impetus to start such a thread...what motivated you. the word sparked my interest, so I hoped that by starting a thread some useful conversation would erupt out of nothingness
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Post by tzujanli on Oct 1, 2013 20:07:48 GMT -5
Greetings..
The still mind sees what 'is' without the distortion of conditioning.. when what you see is inconsistent with what is seen with a still mind, let the inconsistencies go, it's that simple, but.. too many gurus create the problem then condition others to believe that the guru has the cure for the problem they created.. 'you' are the only cure for conditioning..
Be well..
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 20:10:18 GMT -5
I know this is going to sound too simple-minded, but I think how we treat one another has a lot to do with it. I think conditioning determines how we treat one another, but I don't believe the opposite is true. Conditioning is not a revolving door, like it seems you're suggesting - It's a two-way street.
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