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Post by steven on Oct 1, 2013 21:51:46 GMT -5
Seems like mind is always interested in doing something about mind... sure thing...something has to be done with this mysterious thing that constantly delivers thought after thought, having read books and listened to others who have read the same information. One cannot drop the mind, that's simply ego. Mind is ok, just review the way in which we each individually relate to mental content. Watching reveals how we give our minds Power and thus make it real, when its simply psychosis we are doing to ourself. What am I?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 21:58:46 GMT -5
before thought, before mental-function, that which is always present in the moment prior to mental understanding, indefinable, yet alive. You are Life.
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 22:18:05 GMT -5
ego is just a word with absolutely NO meaning
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Post by steven on Oct 1, 2013 22:20:17 GMT -5
before thought, before mental-function, that which is always present in the moment prior to mental understanding, indefinable, yet alive. You are Life.:-)
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Post by steven on Oct 1, 2013 22:20:47 GMT -5
ego is just a word with absolutely NO meaning :-)
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 22:24:08 GMT -5
True. You will see the beauty also, but from the other side of it. It's not a given that peeps will have a breakdown. No, of course not.
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Post by steven on Oct 1, 2013 22:25:08 GMT -5
ego is just a word with absolutely NO meaning Meaning is an assigned attribute, see if you can give still quiet attention to the assigner and remover of meaning inside you :-)
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 22:25:35 GMT -5
A philosophy, a religion, a concept, a belief, even non-duality is a different kind of beautiful than a nest full of robin's eggs or sunset on the ocean or a double rainbow after a storm. In some ways yes, and yet, if you allow it, without the judgements and assessments that we are want to take up, then all things have the same kind of beauty. Frequently I will sit or walk, and just open to being aware of the Grace of God, and kinda open myself and feel the Grace of God filling me and perfusing me....in that perspective, ALL things and happenings have an unspeakable beauty that is equal both in quality and quantity. So perspective has much to do with it... But as you say, from another perspective, a double rainbow is a different kind of beauty than philosophical contemplation....but is this because the inherent beauty is different, or is it because when you are witnessing a double rainbow in a state of quiet gratitude you are more receptive to beauty? You can be that quiet and grateful and receptive to beauty in any moment, with any experience ;-) It's the difference perhaps, between a picture of a robin's nest full of pretty little blue eggs and the real thing.
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 22:25:42 GMT -5
There's beauty in that breakdown. And sunsets, and childbirth. Of course, but what is your point?
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 22:27:02 GMT -5
ego is just a word with absolutely NO meaning Meaning is an assigned attribute, see if you can give still quiet attention to the assigner and remover of meaning :-) ah, the riddler, i presume.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 22:28:34 GMT -5
ego is just a word with absolutely NO meaning it can be advantagious to understand, what these words are meant to mean. Sure words are words like roses are roses. Handles. Ego being is a word "I" (which is just another label) must get-to the bottom of if "I" must understand root-meanings.
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Post by steven on Oct 1, 2013 22:30:04 GMT -5
And sunsets, and childbirth. Of course, but what is your point? That all things have beauty, no need for any of them, nor need to attach to them, and that they all have a source, my preference is to give attention to the source, rather than focus on the phenomena that flow from the source. By keeping attention on the source of breakdowns, sunsets, and child birth, one actualizes into the beauty in each in an absolute oneness with limit.
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 22:32:11 GMT -5
ego is just a word with absolutely NO meaning it can be advantagious to understand, what these words are meant to mean. Sure words are words like roses are roses. Handles. Ego being is a word "I" (which is just another label) must get-to the bottom of if "I" must understand root-meanings. The whole idea of ego was ill-conceived. kinda like tits on a boar
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Post by steven on Oct 1, 2013 22:32:12 GMT -5
Meaning is an assigned attribute, see if you can give still quiet attention to the assigner and remover of meaning :-) ah, the riddler, i presume. Haha....nah, no riddle there, just a simple pointer from a fellow traveler ;-)
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 22:32:13 GMT -5
Zakly. It's the crutches that are being lost, and need to be lost because they were the wrong way to bring stability to instability resulting from erroneous beliefs. In a way, one has to back up and stop doing the wrong thing and start doing the right thing, and in between it might hurt a little, but the more honest one is willing to be, the more quickly that nonsense will be over. Seekers may spend their whole lives trying to avoid that 'dark night', but it's made up of only resistance. Silence and Enigma: When Papaji says this: You have two choices: Either you follow most teachers and spend your life trying to remove or clean out the mind. First you will have to find out if the mind exists. No one has seen the mind. Even if you found it, how do you propose to clean it? Everyone is practicing cleaning the mind but there is no one so far who has cleaned it. Where is this mind to be cleaned? Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/3112/keep-quiet-attack-allowed-thread#ixzz2gWLu87r4What do you think he is talking about? And do you agree or disagree? As an aside, Papaji stated very clearly that mostly what he offered when he suggested stuff like this in his talks was just a temporary feelgoodism, a temporary glimpse so to speak, and yet, my own experiences suggest that there is much more that mental stability and health in play here, and Ramana and most of the great sages have recommended not getting engaged in mental "fixing" and stuff, and instead to meditate. Also, the "method" of clearing the vasanas/conditioning recommended by all of them is basically what Papaji has recommended here. I agree that its not ALL about meditation alone, if it were Pantanjal's 8 fold path would be a threefold path and not have things like honesty and compassion and self restraint written in. But on the other hand, continuous meditation using things like the "who am I" inquiry seems to take the energy out of the vasanas and by degrees release attachments. When asked how to clear the vasanas, Ramana was VERY clear in saying that ONLY the "Who am I" inquiry (in its various iterations like who is thinking this thought) was needed. What say you? Seems like mind is always interested in doing something about mind... Mind is generally interested in avoiding doing anything about mind, which is understandable.
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