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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 29, 2013 7:00:09 GMT -5
Here you're calling me liar: Here you're calling me an idiot: I don't lie to myself, period. The plain and simple fact is that my thoughts are perfectly rational. Accept this or gtfo. And I'm not your "dude", you first have to earn the right to call me that. Hahaha. Seriously? Dude....dude.........duuuude........... DUDE!!!! Dude I didn't call you a liar. That statement was made to illustrate the fact that you seem to believe a lie called self. And although I can't go back and look at what I said originally due to being on an iphone, I think it was more to say you are lying to a lie. Or if you didn't like those words then sub imagining to an imagined self. Not one bit of that calls you a liar.... Second.... There is nothing in either of these quotes calling you an idiot. You made that up. The first quote was to say that once the illusion of thoughts being who you are is seen though, these teachings will be here waiting for you. In fact I would say you are not an idiot if your mind is creating such safiscticated stories about everything. The other quote was intended to possibly get you to see I'm not attacking you. And it was a hopeful statement that maybe someday you will see my words as if coming from your best friend and not some imagined enemy. And dude... I call everyone dude. I'm a huge Big Lebowski fan and I can't give that up dude just because you think I should. Cause I'm mean dude.... Dude...... Duuuuuuuude..... MARK IT 8 DONNY!!! Later dude.... There are many ways to call someone a liar and idiot. Some are less complicated than other, but I'm interested only in the bottom line. Bottom line is that you called my a liar and idiot. I don't forget or forgive this. I don't care what you call "everyone". I'm not "everyone" and I don't want to be called "dude" by you. You're not my buddy. Respect this or gtfo.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 29, 2013 7:12:19 GMT -5
The world isn't a toilet. That's an opinion not fact. Toilets are actually some of the cleanest places in most peeps houses by the way so you might try another analogy.... There is no god.... Only you. And what appears like more you. Now that might just be a fact. That the world is a toilet is an objective fact. Maybe the world has treated you better than it has treated me, but one must be a beggar to conclude from this that it isn't evil. And I'm not a beggar. I don't settle for one acceptable thing or two, I'm not grateful for one acceptable thing or two. I have never in my life meant it when I said "thank you" or "please". I demand everything that I want, and I want it now, anything less is not enough. I don't accept anyone's failure to comply with my demands. If something or someone doesn't do exactly what I want then it/he/she can't possibly be my friend, instead it's obviously my enemy. I know that mine is a position that isn't common among you beggars, but I'm not like you, and if you think I'm crazy then I invite you to gtfo and diagf for all I care. I agree that there is no god. You're wrong that there is only me. If there were only me then I wouldn't be living the shítty life I'm living.
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 30, 2013 4:57:24 GMT -5
Hahaha. Seriously? Dude....dude.........duuuude........... DUDE!!!! Dude I didn't call you a liar. That statement was made to illustrate the fact that you seem to believe a lie called self. And although I can't go back and look at what I said originally due to being on an iphone, I think it was more to say you are lying to a lie. Or if you didn't like those words then sub imagining to an imagined self. Not one bit of that calls you a liar.... Second.... There is nothing in either of these quotes calling you an idiot. You made that up. The first quote was to say that once the illusion of thoughts being who you are is seen though, these teachings will be here waiting for you. In fact I would say you are not an idiot if your mind is creating such safiscticated stories about everything. The other quote was intended to possibly get you to see I'm not attacking you. And it was a hopeful statement that maybe someday you will see my words as if coming from your best friend and not some imagined enemy. And dude... I call everyone dude. I'm a huge Big Lebowski fan and I can't give that up dude just because you think I should. Cause I'm mean dude.... Dude...... Duuuuuuuude..... MARK IT 8 DONNY!!! Later dude.... There are many ways to call someone a liar and idiot. Some are less complicated than other, but I'm interested only in the bottom line. Bottom line is that you called my a liar and idiot. I don't forget or forgive this. I don't care what you call "everyone". I'm not "everyone" and I don't want to be called "dude" by you. You're not my buddy. Respect this or gtfo. Once again only you suffering dude...... Now I can't help but call you dude. Dude isn't a term of endearment or friendship in my circle of peeps. Bro is what we call a friend or buddy. Dude is like a dude who needs to chill out and relax a bit. Maybe smoke a little sticky icky and eat some funions. Like "dude, stop stressing about me callin ya dude and go look watch the ants march". Or like "dude stop trippin over stuff you can't control, like peeps callin ya dude, dude. It's gonna give you a stroke and then you'll be like half regular faced and have droopy face and you'll walk with a limp and the kids will throw rocks at you...dude that would suck." That term dude fits you BIG time.....and when the shoe fits you don't buy a new one...
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 30, 2013 4:59:30 GMT -5
The world isn't a toilet. That's an opinion not fact. Toilets are actually some of the cleanest places in most peeps houses by the way so you might try another analogy.... There is no god.... Only you. And what appears like more you. Now that might just be a fact. That the world is a toilet is an objective fact. Maybe the world has treated you better than it has treated me, but one must be a beggar to conclude from this that it isn't evil. And I'm not a beggar. I don't settle for one acceptable thing or two, I'm not grateful for one acceptable thing or two. I have never in my life meant it when I said "thank you" or "please". I demand everything that I want, and I want it now, anything less is not enough. I don't accept anyone's failure to comply with my demands. If something or someone doesn't do exactly what I want then it/he/she can't possibly be my friend, instead it's obviously my enemy. I know that mine is a position that isn't common among you beggars, but I'm not like you, and if you think I'm crazy then I invite you to gtfo and diagf for all I care. I agree that there is no god. You're wrong that there is only me. If there were only me then I wouldn't be living the shítty life I'm living. What a tale of woe!!! You are right you're not a dude, you're a drama queen. Either that or a very bad version of a troll....
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Post by zendancer on Oct 8, 2013 22:12:13 GMT -5
After the SIG retreat/workshop, I concluded that it might be more accurate to talk about freedom from the "intellect" rather than freedom from "mind." From my experience the term "mind" probably encompasses many other processes and functions besides the intellect, so when we contemplate an existential question, we are essentially trying to access a deeper level of mind than the intellect--a level that is non-dual rather than dual, and one that is inherently unified. What we call "intuition" is probably a function of accessing deeper levels of mind than the intellect, and unity-consciousness experiences probably occur because the intellect is bypassed completely for some period of time.
I would define the intellect as the function of mind that abstractly divides (imagines) what is seen and deals exclusively with images, ideas, and symbols. After generating images and ideas (imagining), the intellect can then generate other images to symbolize the initial images or ideas. It then proceeds to mentally manipulate the images, ideas, and symbols in various ways, and ultimately transfers all of this into both internal and external speech. The intellect is therefore responsible for both the internal dialogue and the imaginary meta-reality which the internal dialogue refers to and comments upon. When we say that someone is "living in his/her head," we're saying that s/he is primarily (and usually unconsciously) attending thoughts rather than "what is."
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Post by someNOTHING! on Oct 8, 2013 22:38:03 GMT -5
After the SIG retreat/workshop, I concluded that it might be more accurate to talk about freedom from the "intellect" rather than freedom from "mind." From my experience the term "mind" probably encompasses many other processes and functions besides the intellect, so when we contemplate an existential question, we are essentially trying to access a deeper level of mind than the intellect--a level that is non-dual rather than dual, and one that is inherently unified. What we call "intuition" is probably a function of accessing deeper levels of mind than the intellect, and unity-consciousness experiences probably occur because the intellect is bypassed completely for some period of time. I would define the intellect as the function of mind that abstractly divides (imagines) what is seen and deals exclusively with images, ideas, and symbols. After generating images and ideas (imagining), the intellect can then generate other images to symbolize the initial images or ideas. It then proceeds to mentally manipulate the images, ideas, and symbols in various ways, and ultimately transfers all of this into both internal and external speech. The intellect is therefore responsible for both the internal dialogue and the imaginary meta-reality which the internal dialogue refers to and comments upon. When we say that someone is "living in his/her head," we're saying that s/he is primarily (and usually unconsciously) attending thoughts rather than "what is." Yeah, in a way, this is what the stroke lady more or less described in the TED talk I posted in the other thread, though she described it as left/right brain consciousness. The passion that imbues her discussion is genuine as she describes the experience and reflection from a brain researchers perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 10:21:01 GMT -5
After the SIG retreat/workshop, I concluded that it might be more accurate to talk about freedom from the "intellect" rather than freedom from "mind." From my experience the term "mind" probably encompasses many other processes and functions besides the intellect, so when we contemplate an existential question, we are essentially trying to access a deeper level of mind than the intellect--a level that is non-dual rather than dual, and one that is inherently unified. What we call "intuition" is probably a function of accessing deeper levels of mind than the intellect, and unity-consciousness experiences probably occur because the intellect is bypassed completely for some period of time. I would define the intellect as the function of mind that abstractly divides (imagines) what is seen and deals exclusively with images, ideas, and symbols. After generating images and ideas (imagining), the intellect can then generate other images to symbolize the initial images or ideas. It then proceeds to mentally manipulate the images, ideas, and symbols in various ways, and ultimately transfers all of this into both internal and external speech. The intellect is therefore responsible for both the internal dialogue and the imaginary meta-reality which the internal dialogue refers to and comments upon. When we say that someone is "living in his/her head," we're saying that s/he is primarily (and usually unconsciously) attending thoughts rather than "what is." This is helpful. After doing ATA or some other meditation for a while, the intellect is stilled enough so that attention can rest on observing what I've been labeling 'the surface of the swamp.' The swamp is where all thoughts originate. Watching the surface of it is a fun little activity I do every once in a while to see if I can notice the emergence of thought. (The unconscious beginnings are below the surface). There's still a whole lot of mind going on, as attention shifts from sensation to sensation and back to the shimmering surface of the swamp. Focus also changes, zeroing in a narrow radius of sensation or broadening out to include as many sensations as possible. That attention and focus happens with mind, it seems to me. Usually what happens is that there is the beginnings of some thought that emerges and there is a multi-tasking that happens. ATA or mindfulness of bodily sensations continues as the thought develops (creeps out of the swamp). All seems well as both sensations and thoughts are being attended to. But much of the time I'll notice with a chuckle that I've been fully engaged with some sort of monster from the black lagoon for a while. Then it's automatically back to ATA/mindfulness.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Oct 11, 2013 17:20:29 GMT -5
Once again only you suffering dude...... Now I can't help but call you dude. Dude isn't a term of endearment or friendship in my circle of peeps. Bro is what we call a friend or buddy. Dude is like a dude who needs to chill out and relax a bit. Maybe smoke a little sticky icky and eat some funions. Like "dude, stop stressing about me callin ya dude and go look watch the ants march". Or like "dude stop trippin over stuff you can't control, like peeps callin ya dude, dude. It's gonna give you a stroke and then you'll be like half regular faced and have droopy face and you'll walk with a limp and the kids will throw rocks at you...dude that would suck." That term dude fits you BIG time.....and when the shoe fits you don't buy a new one... I call you "onehandclapping", or "OHC", because that's your username. I can also call you "dude", but if you don't like it then I will simply stop calling you "dude". I don't see what is so difficult to understand about this. Please don't call me dude.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Oct 11, 2013 17:27:55 GMT -5
What a tale of woe!!! You are right you're not a dude, you're a drama queen. Either that or a very bad version of a troll.... You can't judge because you don't know anything about my life and my personality. I know that I'm unlike anyone I have ever met in my life, so I don't expect to be understood, and I don't expect to not be ridiculed. I have never met anyone who isn't a beggar. I am not a beggar.
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Post by enigma on Oct 11, 2013 21:36:01 GMT -5
What a tale of woe!!! You are right you're not a dude, you're a drama queen. Either that or a very bad version of a troll.... You can't judge because you don't know anything about my life and my personality. I know that I'm unlike anyone I have ever met in my life, so I don't expect to be understood, and I don't expect to not be ridiculed. I have never met anyone who isn't a beggar. I am not a beggar. I'm curious what you mean by a beggar.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 11, 2013 21:55:10 GMT -5
What a tale of woe!!! You are right you're not a dude, you're a drama queen. Either that or a very bad version of a troll.... You can't judge because you don't know anything about my life and my personality. I know that I'm unlike anyone I have ever met in my life, so I don't expect to be understood, and I don't expect to not be ridiculed. I have never met anyone who isn't a beggar. I am not a beggar. lol well if you are truly what you post I very much disagree there are ton's of people just like you when they forget to take their meds! And of course you are a beggar as it's very clear you beg for attention in your posts. You enjoy the shock value but if truth is known you may be only shocking yourself.dude dude dude or edud edud edud
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Oct 12, 2013 5:45:58 GMT -5
You can't judge because you don't know anything about my life and my personality. I know that I'm unlike anyone I have ever met in my life, so I don't expect to be understood, and I don't expect to not be ridiculed. I have never met anyone who isn't a beggar. I am not a beggar. lol well if you are truly what you post I very much disagree there are ton's of people just like you when they forget to take their meds! And of course you are a beggar as it's very clear you beg for attention in your posts. You enjoy the shock value but if truth is known you may be only shocking yourself.dude dude dude or edud edud edud People who don't take their meds are crazy. I haven't taken any sort of medicine (and I've never taken psycho meds) in probably 15 years or so and I have never been saner in my entire life. I don't beg for attention. If I need attention then I'll make someone give it to me, if I don't get it then so be it. Please don't call me "dude".
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Oct 12, 2013 5:47:38 GMT -5
You can't judge because you don't know anything about my life and my personality. I know that I'm unlike anyone I have ever met in my life, so I don't expect to be understood, and I don't expect to not be ridiculed. I have never met anyone who isn't a beggar. I am not a beggar. I'm curious what you mean by a beggar. There are only beggars/slaves and masters. A beggar is someone with an understanding of the world and himself where his wishes are requests and not orders. So when his requests are denied then he thinks that he is at fault, that he isn't entitled to the fulfillment of his wishes, that he has to make more of an effort etc. He psychologically puts himself at the mercy of other forces, as if he is insufficient in his own right, like a slave or a beggar. I on the other hand don't make requests, I make orders. I am entitled to the fulfillment of every wish I make, without exceptions. If my orders are not followed to the last detail then this is betrayal. Of course I don't get my wishes fulfilled either way, but if I refuse to be a beggar then at least I get to keep my dignity, I stay true to myself. One coud say that then I am in conflict with everything, but the same could be said of the beggar, the difference is that the beggar still has expectations, whereas I don't anymore, if I have been betrayed once then I don't expect to not be betrayed the next time.
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Post by silence on Oct 12, 2013 12:06:22 GMT -5
After the SIG retreat/workshop, I concluded that it might be more accurate to talk about freedom from the "intellect" rather than freedom from "mind." From my experience the term "mind" probably encompasses many other processes and functions besides the intellect, so when we contemplate an existential question, we are essentially trying to access a deeper level of mind than the intellect--a level that is non-dual rather than dual, and one that is inherently unified. What we call "intuition" is probably a function of accessing deeper levels of mind than the intellect, and unity-consciousness experiences probably occur because the intellect is bypassed completely for some period of time. I would define the intellect as the function of mind that abstractly divides (imagines) what is seen and deals exclusively with images, ideas, and symbols. After generating images and ideas (imagining), the intellect can then generate other images to symbolize the initial images or ideas. It then proceeds to mentally manipulate the images, ideas, and symbols in various ways, and ultimately transfers all of this into both internal and external speech. The intellect is therefore responsible for both the internal dialogue and the imaginary meta-reality which the internal dialogue refers to and comments upon. When we say that someone is "living in his/her head," we're saying that s/he is primarily (and usually unconsciously) attending thoughts rather than "what is." Yeah, I'd agree. What's really being focused on is in actuality a very narrow process of mind. And so when mind as a whole is not only objectified and hopelessly tried to be put out of the picture, there can only be failure and dissonance.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 12, 2013 12:21:18 GMT -5
lol well if you are truly what you post I very much disagree there are ton's of people just like you when they forget to take their meds! And of course you are a beggar as it's very clear you beg for attention in your posts. You enjoy the shock value but if truth is known you may be only shocking yourself.dude dude dude or edud edud edud People who don't take their meds are crazy. I haven't taken any sort of medicine (and I've never taken psycho meds) in probably 15 years or so and I have never been saner in my entire life. I don't beg for attention. If I need attention then I'll make someone give it to me, if I don't get it then so be it. Please don't call me "dude". Well I would think about getting some because when I read your posts they sound more like a Hitler speaking which is pretty insane to me. People that behave as you have lots of unresolved issues and most of them are mental. So good luck with that dude sorry but I cannot take requests from someone with your attitude so if I want to call you a dude I simply will. In truth though I think you just like to show off yourself as a crazy dude as you enjoy the shock value. You can call me whatever you like I have no attachments to names of any kind Nowhereman
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