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Post by earnest on Sept 17, 2013 5:10:19 GMT -5
Anyone going to the SIG retreat and intensive this year? What a lineup! Art Ticknor Bart Marshall Bob Fergeson Bob Harwood Deborah Westmoreland Jan Frazier Michael Hall Mike Snider Paul Hedderman I went along last year and found it immensely valuable, but unfortunately won't make it this year  |
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Post by quinn on Sept 17, 2013 5:47:29 GMT -5
I can't make it this year either. Just want to second Earnest on how great this gathering is. The speakers are clear as glass, but it's a mosaic of different expressions of that clarity. Very different expressions, which gives lots of opportunity for resonance. I especially enjoyed just being in a space of so much openness at last year's. The atmosphere was charged. |
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 17, 2013 6:49:44 GMT -5
I can't make it this year either. Just want to second Earnest on how great this gathering is. The speakers are clear as glass, but it's a mosaic of different expressions of that clarity. Very different expressions, which gives lots of opportunity for resonance. I especially enjoyed just being in a space of so much openness at last year's. The atmosphere was charged. I've heard talks from all of them (except Snider) and I understood not one of them, which means that they aren't clear at all. In some points they were contradicting each other, some even contradicted themselves. I'm especially suspicious of Marshall and Westmoreland, I'm pretty sure they are fake. I wonder what people get out of such meetings. Is there some kind of energy thing going on? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 9:08:11 GMT -5
five and a quarter??? they better guarantee enlightenment and everlasting peace at those prices...  |
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Post by quinn on Sept 17, 2013 15:50:00 GMT -5
five and a quarter??? they better guarantee enlightenment and everlasting peace at those prices... 6 days meals & lodging plus the speakers...CHEAP! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 16:03:08 GMT -5
five and a quarter??? they better guarantee enlightenment and everlasting peace at those prices... 6 days meals & lodging plus the speakers...CHEAP! ahhh, I read it wrong, thought it was only a three day jamboree... but yep, with those speakers .... that's quite a bargain ;-) actually I'd love to go, and I'm only a few hours drive away from Raleigh, but......... (oddly, I still haven't mentioned to my wife that I'm interested in this stuff) lol |
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Post by quinn on Sept 17, 2013 16:14:26 GMT -5
6 days meals & lodging plus the speakers...CHEAP! ahhh, I read it wrong, thought it was only a three day jamboree... but yep, with those speakers .... that's quite a bargain ;-) actually I'd love to go, and I'm only a few hours drive away from Raleigh, but......... (oddly, I still haven't mentioned to my wife that I'm interested in this stuff) lol Oh, my. Well, if she's anything like my husband, even if you do tell her she'll get so freaked out she won't ask anything about it. I only did the 3-day retreat last year. The intensive would have been a bit over the top for me. Go, Farmer! What've you got to lose? (heh heh)  |
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Post by earnest on Sept 17, 2013 16:23:00 GMT -5
6 days meals & lodging plus the speakers...CHEAP! ahhh, I read it wrong, thought it was only a three day jamboree... but yep, with those speakers .... that's quite a bargain ;-) actually I'd love to go, and I'm only a few hours drive away from Raleigh, but......... (oddly, I still haven't mentioned to my wife that I'm interested in this stuff) lol Maybe tell her there is a farming expo on. Topics include how to help seed fall on fertile ground, the reaping of what is sown, and so on... |
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Post by runstill on Sept 17, 2013 17:12:13 GMT -5
6 days meals & lodging plus the speakers...CHEAP! ahhh, I read it wrong, thought it was only a three day jamboree... but yep, with those speakers .... that's quite a bargain ;-) actually I'd love to go, and I'm only a few hours drive away from Raleigh, but......... (oddly, I still haven't mentioned to my wife that I'm interested in this stuff) lol I don't know about that Bob Hardwood guy though I hear he really stirs up the pot... I made that mistake of telling my wife, I get 'you don't exist' as she pinches me, even though we don't talk to much about this stuff I've noticed changes in her for the better, must be transference or sumthing lol... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 19:51:05 GMT -5
I can't make it this year either. Just want to second Earnest on how great this gathering is. The speakers are clear as glass, but it's a mosaic of different expressions of that clarity. Very different expressions, which gives lots of opportunity for resonance. I especially enjoyed just being in a space of so much openness at last year's. The atmosphere was charged. I've heard talks from all of them (except Snider) and I understood not one of them, which means that they aren't clear at all. In some points they were contradicting each other, some even contradicted themselves. I'm especially suspicious of Marshall and Westmoreland, I'm pretty sure they are fake. I wonder what people get out of such meetings. Is there some kind of energy thing going on? Its funny, two years ago I woulda rezzed a lot with much of what he says here, and have had many similar experiences and kensho.....now I just want to give him a hug and a shake and say "snap out of it". And I agree about Bart Marshal....I watched a video of his: It looks like some kind of weird therapy group about how to feel good, only the guy is a very bland dullard that puts you to sleep, so there isn't much feelgoodism being spread....look at the group when the camera pans around....there is no life in anyone....its sucks the energy right outa ya just looking at them. I'd stay clear of the feelgoodism crowd unless that's all you want out of this path....and if you are going to go the therapy group feelgoodism direction, go see folks that are good at it, like mooji and adyashanti. In the Richard Rose video, you have someone with real kensho, or realization experiences, but also one that is imprisoned by those enlightenment experiences. Enlightenment is not what one should seek on this path....enlightenment is an informing and opening of the mind in a way that makes you more prone to opening into expanded and unified states of consciousness. But it is not what one should seek instead of expanded and unified states of consciousness. Enlightenment is not an end, its a tool and an aid for what you should really be seeking. Unfortunately, folks experience enlightenment, and call er done, finito, the end of the line, when really its just a sign post that enables you along the way. Enlightenment helps, but its not even really needed along this path....so this crazy over emphasis of it is kinda goofy. The state of limitless unified consciousness is the destination, don't confuse the map and picture posted on a scenic rest stop wall as the destination. And all these maps and diagrams of the nature of our existence that you see in these types of videos are just things that people cling to to make themselves feel better in a dream....If you merge with the infinite this, all that stuff doesn't matter. |
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Post by silence on Sept 17, 2013 21:46:17 GMT -5
I wonder what people get out of such meetings. Is there some kind of energy thing going on? I do too. I think you're fairly close in that the nature of the discussions usually hit a spot for people that they feel unable to openly discuss with others in their everyday life. |
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Post by quinn on Sept 17, 2013 21:58:27 GMT -5
I wonder what people get out of such meetings. Is there some kind of energy thing going on? I do too. I think you're fairly close in that the nature of the discussions usually hit a spot for people that they feel unable to openly discuss with others in their everyday life. Have you been to retreats, Silence? If so, was that your experience? |
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Post by earnest on Sept 18, 2013 0:19:50 GMT -5
I wonder what people get out of such meetings. Is there some kind of energy thing going on? I do too. I think you're fairly close in that the nature of the discussions usually hit a spot for people that they feel unable to openly discuss with others in their everyday life. I'm not "into energy", but I do think there is something energetic going on. You get to meet people, alive people, who are awakened. I think there is something in seeing them with your eyes, hearing their voice, shaking their hand or giving them a hug, breathing the same air. Some kind of head bypassing perhaps. There is also the communing with like minded people and that was really valuable for me as well. |
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Post by earnest on Sept 18, 2013 0:29:26 GMT -5
I've heard talks from all of them (except Snider) and I understood not one of them, which means that they aren't clear at all. In some points they were contradicting each other, some even contradicted themselves. I'm especially suspicious of Marshall and Westmoreland, I'm pretty sure they are fake. I wonder what people get out of such meetings. Is there some kind of energy thing going on? Its funny, two years ago I woulda rezzed a lot with much of what he says here, and have had many similar experiences and kensho.....now I just want to give him a hug and a shake and say "snap out of it". And I agree about Bart Marshal....I watched a video of his: It looks like some kind of weird therapy group about how to feel good, only the guy is a very bland dullard that puts you to sleep, so there isn't much feelgoodism being spread....look at the group when the camera pans around....there is no life in anyone....its sucks the energy right outa ya just looking at them. I'd stay clear of the feelgoodism crowd unless that's all you want out of this path....and if you are going to go the therapy group feelgoodism direction, go see folks that are good at it, like mooji and adyashanti. In the Richard Rose video, you have someone with real kensho, or realization experiences, but also one that is imprisoned by those enlightenment experiences. Enlightenment is not what one should seek on this path....enlightenment is an informing and opening of the mind in a way that makes you more prone to opening into expanded and unified states of consciousness. But it is not what one should seek instead of expanded and unified states of consciousness. Enlightenment is not an end, its a tool and an aid for what you should really be seeking. Unfortunately, folks experience enlightenment, and call er done, finito, the end of the line, when really its just a sign post that enables you along the way. Enlightenment helps, but its not even really needed along this path....so this crazy over emphasis of it is kinda goofy. The state of limitless unified consciousness is the destination, don't confuse the map and picture posted on a scenic rest stop wall as the destination. And all these maps and diagrams of the nature of our existence that you see in these types of videos are just things that people cling to to make themselves feel better in a dream....If you merge with the infinite this, all that stuff doesn't matter. This is just a perhaps,.. and I'm going out on a limb here,.. but I think you're embarking on some kind of captive giraffe breeding program there my friend. Bart has a different style in the 2012 SIG video below Is that a little more lively for you? Does that make any difference anyway? I didn't get any feelgoodism out of hearing Bart or any of the other speakers when I went over, quite the opposite in fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 1:43:14 GMT -5
Its funny, two years ago I woulda rezzed a lot with much of what he says here, and have had many similar experiences and kensho.....now I just want to give him a hug and a shake and say "snap out of it". And I agree about Bart Marshal....I watched a video of his: It looks like some kind of weird therapy group about how to feel good, only the guy is a very bland dullard that puts you to sleep, so there isn't much feelgoodism being spread....look at the group when the camera pans around....there is no life in anyone....its sucks the energy right outa ya just looking at them. I'd stay clear of the feelgoodism crowd unless that's all you want out of this path....and if you are going to go the therapy group feelgoodism direction, go see folks that are good at it, like mooji and adyashanti. In the Richard Rose video, you have someone with real kensho, or realization experiences, but also one that is imprisoned by those enlightenment experiences. Enlightenment is not what one should seek on this path....enlightenment is an informing and opening of the mind in a way that makes you more prone to opening into expanded and unified states of consciousness. But it is not what one should seek instead of expanded and unified states of consciousness. Enlightenment is not an end, its a tool and an aid for what you should really be seeking. Unfortunately, folks experience enlightenment, and call er done, finito, the end of the line, when really its just a sign post that enables you along the way. Enlightenment helps, but its not even really needed along this path....so this crazy over emphasis of it is kinda goofy. The state of limitless unified consciousness is the destination, don't confuse the map and picture posted on a scenic rest stop wall as the destination. And all these maps and diagrams of the nature of our existence that you see in these types of videos are just things that people cling to to make themselves feel better in a dream....If you merge with the infinite this, all that stuff doesn't matter. This is just a perhaps,.. and I'm going out on a limb h,.. but I think you're embarking on some kind of captive giraffe breeding program there my friend. Bart has a different style in the 2012 SIG video below Is that a little more lively for you? Does that make any difference anyway? I didn't get any feelgoodism out of hearing Bart or any of the other speakers when I went over, quite the opposite in fact. Hello Earnest, Its not that I'm inventing Girraffes, its that we are viewing the same phenomena from a different perspective, which can make it seem like Giraffe breeding to the other. Your comment about not getting any feelgoodism out of your participation is what I mean by Bart just not being as effective at it as Mooji and Adyashanti. What I mean by that, is that all these guys fundamentally talk about the same things, which are: 1. What Enlightenment is like. (Which is a totally useless thing to discuss because unless you have had a kensho or realization experience hearing about other's is useless) 2. The nature of reality that they perceive as a result of realization. (Which is all a bunch of useless crap that creates more mind spin in those that have not had a kensho experience) 3. The impact that enlightenment has had on their psyche and the way they interact with life. (Which is an explanation of their own feelgoodism) 4. (This one ends up being the bulk of every conversation) An explanation on how you may incorporate the lessons of their enlightenment into your own life in a way that improves your interaction with life. (Feelgoodism) Most of what Bart discusses is how to interact with life from a platform of realization in a way that improves your interaction with life as an individual. Its the same thing that Mooji and Adyashanti and most others discuss, only frankly his delivery is not as skillful at making you feel good while listening to him. But the real issue isn't all of that, its that the whole conversation is a strawman, and misses the point that realization is not a goal or a destination, its a tool at best, and a distraction at worst. Realization/Enlightenment, does not solve the fundamental problem, which is one's limited state of individuated awareness absorbed in a ME....sure, enlightenment evens things out for the ME, and one is not drug along by the ups and downs of life, which is a very useful platform from which to shift consciousness, but it is not the end game. The purpose of enlightenment is to inform the mind of the lack of need to cling to individuated consciousness and to attract it toward dropping the experience of individuation and exchange it for universal being.....enlightenment is an opening of a space that makes it easier and less scary to let go of individuation as an experience....to do this it informs the mind on an intellectual and emotional level that it is not the illusion of an individuation and that there is no "substance" to this existence.....but this is the mind being intellectually and emotionally informed, without there being a real/permanent shift in the nature of conciousness. In most cases one has a momentary shift of consciousness from the individuated perspective to the unified perspective, which precipitates a mental realization about one's true nature. Too often in modern culture One then clings to this realization and tries to use it to improve their life, instead of letting go of the life of the individual in favor of the loss of self in a unified consciousness. The result is that that individual goes on living life within the illusionary experience of individuation, all the while knowing intellectually and emotionally that they are not an individuation....And the frequent result for the people they talk to is that many just try to mimc the intellectual realization themselves, without ever doing the things that lead to the "teachers" realization. The teachers themselves often drop all the practices that lead to the momentary shift in consciousness that spawned the realization....when all along, the purpose of the realization is to make it easier to make the momentary shift from the experience of individuation to the permanent experience of a unified whole. The other thing is that people see realization as a completion of practice and understanding, when really it is the beginning of deeper experience, IF ONE MOVES DEEPER INTO THE PRACTICES THAT SHIFTED THEIR CONSCIOUSNESS and spawned the kensho in the first place...:-) Fundamentally, its all a discussion about enlightenment that means nothing if you haven't actually experienced it for yourself, and the hole conversation misses the point of this path in the first place lol This path is not about understanding that informs mind on how to live a better life, this is not what our deepest inner yearnings are crying out for, our deepest inner yearning is for a return to wholeness,...... not an understanding of wholeness informed by enlightenment, but an ever deepening experience of wholeness that only comes from deepening states of consciousness, that ultimately arrive at a constant state of Samadhi, which, in its various levels increasingly drops the experience (not just the understanding) of individuation in favor of a merging with the infinite. In these discussions, all the talk is related to enlightenment, with almost no mention of the state of unified experience and experiencer that the human condition yearns for, nor the means of attaining it...enlightenment is an understanding, not a state, and the state of unified consciousness is what humanity is searching for. Enlightenment is not the end game, and yet it is most often discussed and sought as if it were. Samadhi; the complete merging of the experiencer into the experience, is the "end game", when the observer is disappeared and become one with the observed, what humanity consciously and unconsciously yearns for is fully actuated. The pursuit of happiness/Feelgoodism/enlightenment, are all proxies for the conscious living reunion of the individuated with the rest of existence.....this is Samadhi |
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