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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 25, 2013 6:07:13 GMT -5
Hahaha. None of them were trying to help you understand. All of them are trying to help you realize there is no you and nothing to understand. And from the vantage point of mind, everything a teacher says can be seen as contradictory. You don't seem like you are really open and eager. Why are you even seeking? You seem to know the answers or what isn't the answer to everything..... P.S. maybe go to meeting and experience it instead of trolling about how nothing can be gained from them. P.P.S. Snider might be a great fit to wake your dumb azz up. You should look him up and hope you catch him on a day where he feels like being a teacher. Hahaha. Although it might be better if it is a day where he doesn't feel like that..... I'm not open and eager, and I'm not honestly seeking because I don't lie to myself. In general life doesn't deserve my respect because it is essentially suffering and I was forced into it, I never agreed to it. So am already suffering a sick injustice by having to be alive in the first place, how can I be expected to respect life? No, if life has something to offer in terms of enlightenment/realization/whatever then it just has to give it to me unconditionally and not insist on impossible requirements. I heard a TAT Snider talk last week. Okay he's a funny feller alright and he can play the banjo and harmonica better than I, but that's about all he can do from what I can tell. Actually my guess is that Snider was somehow genetically predisposed for enlightenment, and the reason is that even his 15 yo son got instant enlightenment, simply by overhearing Snider talk about it on the phone. Just like that. Sick and crazy stuff, so incredibly unfair. His son got it for free, why do I have to pay? It's not fair and I reject injustice. Btw, you can insult me all you want, I'm immune against all that, you're a nobody, everybody here knows that you're just another random useless guy on the internets who is jerking off to his own ego at the expense of others.
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 25, 2013 14:47:16 GMT -5
Hahaha. None of them were trying to help you understand. All of them are trying to help you realize there is no you and nothing to understand. And from the vantage point of mind, everything a teacher says can be seen as contradictory. You don't seem like you are really open and eager. Why are you even seeking? You seem to know the answers or what isn't the answer to everything..... P.S. maybe go to meeting and experience it instead of trolling about how nothing can be gained from them. P.P.S. Snider might be a great fit to wake your dumb azz up. You should look him up and hope you catch him on a day where he feels like being a teacher. Hahaha. Although it might be better if it is a day where he doesn't feel like that..... I'm not open and eager, and I'm not honestly seeking because I don't lie to myself. In general life doesn't deserve my respect because it is essentially suffering and I was forced into it, I never agreed to it. So am already suffering a sick injustice by having to be alive in the first place, how can I be expected to respect life? No, if life has something to offer in terms of enlightenment/realization/whatever then it just has to give it to me unconditionally and not insist on impossible requirements. I heard a TAT Snider talk last week. Okay he's a funny feller alright and he can play the banjo and harmonica better than I, but that's about all he can do from what I can tell. Actually my guess is that Snider was somehow genetically predisposed for enlightenment, and the reason is that even his 15 yo son got instant enlightenment, simply by overhearing Snider talk about it on the phone. Just like that. Sick and crazy stuff, so incredibly unfair. His son got it for free, why do I have to pay? It's not fair and I reject injustice. Btw, you can insult me all you want, I'm immune against all that, you're a nobody, everybody here knows that you're just another random useless guy on the internets who is jerking off to his own ego at the expense of others. Snider thinks everyone wakes up around him.... It's rather entertaining the stories he tells about it. The good news is that YOU don't need to be open and eager. This doesn't happen to you. So don't lie to the lie you carry on of a self. Say screw the world and all it's suffering that was forced upon the imagined you as well. Kick and scream and fight every "unfair" second. The teaching that those peeps are giving will be here waiting for the second you no longer believe those thoughts about the world and yourself. They will be there as a road map to find your true self.....or lack there of. It's gonna be fun watching it unfold. *grabs a bag of popcorn and wiggles into a chair* Sorry for calling you a dumb azz. I was drunk last night when I got on here so I have no idea what I was thinking about. hahaha. Late night, drunk spiritual board writing. Something obviously got under my skin about your attitude towards these teachers but I don't remember now what that was exactly. You are right that I'm a nobody. And I guess if you think I'm a random useless guy on the internet who is jerking off to my own ego at the expense of others, I can fill that role too. Maybe someday I can play the role of a friend who just wants to no longer see you suffer under them crazy thoughts......
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 25, 2013 17:25:00 GMT -5
Snider thinks everyone wakes up around him.... It's rather entertaining the stories he tells about it. The good news is that YOU don't need to be open and eager. This doesn't happen to you. So don't lie to the lie you carry on of a self. Say screw the world and all it's suffering that was forced upon the imagined you as well. Kick and scream and fight every "unfair" second. The teaching that those peeps are giving will be here waiting for the second you no longer believe those thoughts about the world and yourself. They will be there as a road map to find your true self.....or lack there of. It's gonna be fun watching it unfold. *grabs a bag of popcorn and wiggles into a chair* Sorry for calling you a dumb azz. I was drunk last night when I got on here so I have no idea what I was thinking about. hahaha. Late night, drunk spiritual board writing. Something obviously got under my skin about your attitude towards these teachers but I don't remember now what that was exactly. You are right that I'm a nobody. And I guess if you think I'm a random useless guy on the internet who is jerking off to my own ego at the expense of others, I can fill that role too. Maybe someday I can play the role of a friend who just wants to no longer see you suffer under them crazy thoughts...... You're sober and you're still making fun of me, and you're still calling me an idiot and a liar. And then you talk about being a "friend"? What's wrong with you? The world is bad enough already. Why do you make it even worse? Why don't you stop behaving like an ásshole?
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Post by silence on Sept 25, 2013 20:58:59 GMT -5
No, if life has something to offer in terms of enlightenment/realization/whatever then it just has to give it to me unconditionally and not insist on impossible requirements. Enlightenment has zero applicability to every single animal except human beings. The reason of course isn't that humans just missed the boat when life was handing it out but rather that we're the only ones confusing ourselves to such a staggering extent. The whole dilemma is totally in your court.
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Post by earnest on Sept 25, 2013 23:19:55 GMT -5
Hahaha. None of them were trying to help you understand. All of them are trying to help you realize there is no you and nothing to understand. And from the vantage point of mind, everything a teacher says can be seen as contradictory. You don't seem like you are really open and eager. Why are you even seeking? You seem to know the answers or what isn't the answer to everything..... P.S. maybe go to meeting and experience it instead of trolling about how nothing can be gained from them. P.P.S. Snider might be a great fit to wake your dumb azz up. You should look him up and hope you catch him on a day where he feels like being a teacher. Hahaha. Although it might be better if it is a day where he doesn't feel like that..... I'm not open and eager, and I'm not honestly seeking because I don't lie to myself. In general life doesn't deserve my respect because it is essentially suffering and I was forced into it, I never agreed to it. So am already suffering a sick injustice by having to be alive in the first place, how can I be expected to respect life? No, if life has something to offer in terms of enlightenment/realization/whatever then it just has to give it to me unconditionally and not insist on impossible requirements. It's kind of hard to even know where to start with what you've written. You sound like you're really suffering and not in a good place. I guess to me the question is what do you *really* want and how far are you prepared to go? Are you going to do whatever it takes, or are you going to stop if life doesn't line up with your rules and preferences? It seems to me, that if you're really interested in the enlightenment/realization/whatever game, you may need to try a different approach. Struggling against what you see as injustice and suffering does't seem to be working out for you, so how long are you planning on sticking with an approach that doesn't work? For what it's worth, I think I pretty much needed to be smashed into the ground. To try everything, have it not work, to give up, and then to "come empty" (dunno who first used that expression here but I like it) and then finally Life/God would have something to work with. I've got something called Chron's Disease, and for 14 odd years it was pretty awful. It's ok-ish now, but there are a lot of things I can't do, and I have a *very* restricted diet. On the surface it isn't fair or just, I never agreed to it, and it was certainly thrust upon me. Why would life/God put that on someone? And yet, I have no complaints about it. Sure it can be annoying sometimes, but its ok as it is. Whether I like it or not is completely and utterly irrelevant and meaningless. It would be hard for me to imagine a greater hell than being locked in a blind struggle against Life/What Is. I wish you the best in whatever happens.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 26, 2013 5:35:18 GMT -5
No, if life has something to offer in terms of enlightenment/realization/whatever then it just has to give it to me unconditionally and not insist on impossible requirements. Enlightenment has zero applicability to every single animal except human beings. The reason of course isn't that humans just missed the boat when life was handing it out but rather that we're the only ones confusing ourselves to such a staggering extent. The whole dilemma is totally in your court. It's not in my court, otherwise I would have become enlightened a very long time ago. In fact, if it were in my court then I would have never become unenlightened in the first place.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 26, 2013 5:37:44 GMT -5
It's kind of hard to even know where to start with what you've written. You sound like you're really suffering and not in a good place. I guess to me the question is what do you *really* want and how far are you prepared to go? Are you going to do whatever it takes, or are you going to stop if life doesn't line up with your rules and preferences? It seems to me, that if you're really interested in the enlightenment/realization/whatever game, you may need to try a different approach. Struggling against what you see as injustice and suffering does't seem to be working out for you, so how long are you planning on sticking with an approach that doesn't work? For what it's worth, I think I pretty much needed to be smashed into the ground. To try everything, have it not work, to give up, and then to "come empty" (dunno who first used that expression here but I like it) and then finally Life/God would have something to work with. My view of life is not a secret strategy to get enlightenment or whatever. So it's not a question of it working or not working. That this world is a toilet is an objective fact, that's why it's not a question of how long I'm going to stick with this fact or not. A fact is a fact, period. If there is god then why do I have to come empty? Why doesn't he come empty? If god exists then the only explanation is that he is one sick psychopath. But the true reason is much simpler: there is no god.
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Post by earnest on Sept 26, 2013 19:40:39 GMT -5
It's kind of hard to even know where to start with what you've written. You sound like you're really suffering and not in a good place. I guess to me the question is what do you *really* want and how far are you prepared to go? Are you going to do whatever it takes, or are you going to stop if life doesn't line up with your rules and preferences? It seems to me, that if you're really interested in the enlightenment/realization/whatever game, you may need to try a different approach. Struggling against what you see as injustice and suffering does't seem to be working out for you, so how long are you planning on sticking with an approach that doesn't work? For what it's worth, I think I pretty much needed to be smashed into the ground. To try everything, have it not work, to give up, and then to "come empty" (dunno who first used that expression here but I like it) and then finally Life/God would have something to work with. My view of life is not a secret strategy to get enlightenment or whatever. So it's not a question of it working or not working. That this world is a toilet is an objective fact, that's why it's not a question of how long I'm going to stick with this fact or not. A fact is a fact, period. If there is god then why do I have to come empty? Why doesn't he come empty? If god exists then the only explanation is that he is one sick psychopath. But the true reason is much simpler: there is no god. We've obviously got different perspectives on life and I've got no interest in trying to convince you of anything or change your mind. Best of luck in your travels...
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 28, 2013 2:55:36 GMT -5
Snider thinks everyone wakes up around him.... It's rather entertaining the stories he tells about it. The good news is that YOU don't need to be open and eager. This doesn't happen to you. So don't lie to the lie you carry on of a self. Say screw the world and all it's suffering that was forced upon the imagined you as well. Kick and scream and fight every "unfair" second. The teaching that those peeps are giving will be here waiting for the second you no longer believe those thoughts about the world and yourself. They will be there as a road map to find your true self.....or lack there of. It's gonna be fun watching it unfold. *grabs a bag of popcorn and wiggles into a chair* Sorry for calling you a dumb azz. I was drunk last night when I got on here so I have no idea what I was thinking about. hahaha. Late night, drunk spiritual board writing. Something obviously got under my skin about your attitude towards these teachers but I don't remember now what that was exactly. You are right that I'm a nobody. And I guess if you think I'm a random useless guy on the internet who is jerking off to my own ego at the expense of others, I can fill that role too. Maybe someday I can play the role of a friend who just wants to no longer see you suffer under them crazy thoughts...... You're sober and you're still making fun of me, and you're still calling me an idiot and a liar. And then you talk about being a "friend"? What's wrong with you? The world is bad enough already. Why do you make it even worse? Why don't you stop behaving like an ásshole? Dude what are you talking about? I don't see anywhere where I made fun of you or warranted you calling me an azzhole...... Never used the word idiot nor liar. Maybe you are bringing a story to my words?? Projecting on to them a tale of woe instead of reading them with a blank slate? I encourage you to investigate....
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 28, 2013 5:03:51 GMT -5
You're sober and you're still making fun of me, and you're still calling me an idiot and a liar. And then you talk about being a "friend"? What's wrong with you? The world is bad enough already. Why do you make it even worse? Why don't you stop behaving like an ásshole? Dude what are you talking about? I don't see anywhere where I made fun of you or warranted you calling me an azzhole...... Never used the word idiot nor liar. Maybe you are bringing a story to my words?? Projecting on to them a tale of woe instead of reading them with a blank slate? I encourage you to investigate.... Here you're calling me liar: Here you're calling me an idiot: I don't lie to myself, period. The plain and simple fact is that my thoughts are perfectly rational. Accept this or gtfo. And I'm not your "dude", you first have to earn the right to call me that.
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Post by earnest on Sept 28, 2013 6:26:13 GMT -5
Dude what are you talking about? I don't see anywhere where I made fun of you or warranted you calling me an azzhole...... Never used the word idiot nor liar. Maybe you are bringing a story to my words?? Projecting on to them a tale of woe instead of reading them with a blank slate? I encourage you to investigate.... Here you're calling me liar: Here you're calling me an idiot: I don't lie to myself, period. The plain and simple fact is that my thoughts are perfectly rational. Accept this or gtfo. And I'm not your "dude", you first have to earn the right to call me that. Why are you here? What do you want?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 28, 2013 8:21:01 GMT -5
Why are you here? What do you want? Because I like posting on this forum.
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 29, 2013 5:42:26 GMT -5
Dude what are you talking about? I don't see anywhere where I made fun of you or warranted you calling me an azzhole...... Never used the word idiot nor liar. Maybe you are bringing a story to my words?? Projecting on to them a tale of woe instead of reading them with a blank slate? I encourage you to investigate.... Here you're calling me liar: Here you're calling me an idiot: I don't lie to myself, period. The plain and simple fact is that my thoughts are perfectly rational. Accept this or gtfo. And I'm not your "dude", you first have to earn the right to call me that. Hahaha. Seriously? Dude....dude.........duuuude........... DUDE!!!! Dude I didn't call you a liar. That statement was made to illustrate the fact that you seem to believe a lie called self. And although I can't go back and look at what I said originally due to being on an iphone, I think it was more to say you are lying to a lie. Or if you didn't like those words then sub imagining to an imagined self. Not one bit of that calls you a liar.... Second.... There is nothing in either of these quotes calling you an idiot. You made that up. The first quote was to say that once the illusion of thoughts being who you are is seen though, these teachings will be here waiting for you. In fact I would say you are not an idiot if your mind is creating such safiscticated stories about everything. The other quote was intended to possibly get you to see I'm not attacking you. And it was a hopeful statement that maybe someday you will see my words as if coming from your best friend and not some imagined enemy. And dude... I call everyone dude. I'm a huge Big Lebowski fan and I can't give that up dude just because you think I should. Cause I'm mean dude.... Dude...... Duuuuuuuude..... MARK IT 8 DONNY!!! Later dude....
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 29, 2013 5:43:08 GMT -5
Dude what are you talking about? I don't see anywhere where I made fun of you or warranted you calling me an azzhole...... Never used the word idiot nor liar. Maybe you are bringing a story to my words?? Projecting on to them a tale of woe instead of reading them with a blank slate? I encourage you to investigate.... Here you're calling me liar: Here you're calling me an idiot: I don't lie to myself, period. The plain and simple fact is that my thoughts are perfectly rational. Accept this or gtfo. And I'm not your "dude", you first have to earn the right to call me that. Hahaha. Seriously? Dude....dude.........duuuude........... DUDE!!!! Dude I didn't call you a liar. That statement was made to illustrate the fact that you seem to believe a lie called self. And although I can't go back and look at what I said originally due to being on an iphone, I think it was more to say you are lying to a lie. Or if you didn't like those words then sub imagining to an imagined self. Not one bit of that calls you a liar.... Second.... There is nothing in either of these quotes calling you an idiot. You made that up. The first quote was to say that once the illusion of thoughts being who you are is seen though, these teachings will be here waiting for you. In fact I would say you are not an idiot if your mind is creating such safiscticated stories about everything. The other quote was intended to possibly get you to see I'm not attacking you. And it was a hopeful statement that maybe someday you will see my words as if coming from your best friend and not some imagined enemy. And dude... I call everyone dude. I'm a huge Big Lebowski fan and I can't give that up dude just because you think I should. Cause I'm mean dude.... Dude...... Duuuuuuuude..... MARK IT 8 DONNY!!! Later dude....
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 29, 2013 5:54:59 GMT -5
It's kind of hard to even know where to start with what you've written. You sound like you're really suffering and not in a good place. I guess to me the question is what do you *really* want and how far are you prepared to go? Are you going to do whatever it takes, or are you going to stop if life doesn't line up with your rules and preferences? It seems to me, that if you're really interested in the enlightenment/realization/whatever game, you may need to try a different approach. Struggling against what you see as injustice and suffering does't seem to be working out for you, so how long are you planning on sticking with an approach that doesn't work? For what it's worth, I think I pretty much needed to be smashed into the ground. To try everything, have it not work, to give up, and then to "come empty" (dunno who first used that expression here but I like it) and then finally Life/God would have something to work with. My view of life is not a secret strategy to get enlightenment or whatever. So it's not a question of it working or not working. That this world is a toilet is an objective fact, that's why it's not a question of how long I'm going to stick with this fact or not. A fact is a fact, period. If there is god then why do I have to come empty? Why doesn't he come empty? If god exists then the only explanation is that he is one sick psychopath. But the true reason is much simpler: there is no god. The world isn't a toilet. That's an opinion not fact. Toilets are actually some of the cleanest places in most peeps houses by the way so you might try another analogy.... There is no god.... Only you. And what appears like more you. Now that might just be a fact.
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