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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 11:17:01 GMT -5
Well, I feel the love, but you're wrong. Uttering "you're completely wasting your time" is a waste of time. Is burping a waste of time? Also, the you you are addressing in "you're completely wasting your time" is the same thing I'm referring to when I use "I" to say "I think I get the argument." That's the problem. And while that you/I has time to waste, it is irrelevant to the the "I" used in the argument, which has been redefined to mean unbounded by personhood and life/death. And there is an argument, which is not mine. I am skeptical of it, and did not understand it. Now I know why I didn't understand. But really, I don't have much of an argument with it all being a waste of time. The point is absurdly simple. There's just a movement of thought trying to understand what gives rise to itself. It can not. A bug in the machine. Reminds me of HAL. Daisy, daisy....
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Post by runstill on Aug 29, 2013 19:56:45 GMT -5
Right, so just pay attention to what is directly experienced with-out the over lay of thought it's a little tricky at first, hold an apple in your hand feel the texture take a bite and notice the taste and the sensation of chewing it, this is a direct experience. My writing about it is not or you thinking what its like eating a apple is not. So its a small leap to say thought/thinking cannot be reality only what is a direct experience is real.. whadaya think... But ... but... I can't know that a whiff of apple-smell hasn't conditioned my tongue to taste apple; I can't even know I haven't created the apple out of thin air, because I expected it there, where I usually keep apples, that my memory says put them there; I don't even really know that hand is my hand. Okay I'm really tired so I may not be writing all that clearly. This is also difficult to express, and explain how I came to doubt such elemental things, and how I (frequently) directly experience things that make me doubt direct experience. Let's just say that, often, I cannot be sure I am not in a very convincing virtual, simulated reality. As an experiment, spend a few days looking at your experience that way, and see what happens.
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