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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 9:57:03 GMT -5
Shadows are astrals or thought forms.... is there a difference? I was hoping others might share some light on the differences. For me, I dont mind becoming aware of things I am about to get to know, (I don't go seeking experience) but I thought there maybe some here in ST that are further along the track an able to discern the various (colours) ie, different sorts of projections, such as thought-projection, subtle-body projection, bodyless beings an souls simply seeking the light that is emitted around sensitive beings who have de-skinned themselves during their realisation process.
Obviously, the best thing to do, if one is frightened is to pretend these things dont exist, run-off an play with ppl like themselves an forget about weired stuff they cannot make sense of... like my new friend Eppur si muove. Dismissing people is best I feel when one hasnt had any experience themselves, or who might still be ailing with their beliefs or a religious conviction. My own conditioning guided me to stay-out of psychic-matters an interests of this kind an to stay focussed on the goal of self realisation an unity an be open-hearted to all people no matter how weird they might appear to be, but 30+ yrs along the track, I have to ask myself(YOU) there is much out there an in here that defies description. Why turn away from what is right beside you, that comes an goes, that sometimes comes in an dosnt leave.
Maybe, now that some of the bullies have run-off tail between their legs we can chat?
Alfio, it sounded like you were putting forward the idea that someone who could see external spirits was more "evolved". I don't have those experiences to any significant degree myself, but I have many in my local community who do. To me the question isn't how do I get to a point of experiencing what they experience but how can I help them live with these extraordinary experiences since they are going to be a part of their reality. What we have in common then is an interest in Wisdom and an interest of exploring how we relate to the experiences we are having. Is a man less evolved for having color blindness? What if he was a philanthropist and saw the world as himself? From what I've seen, having Extra-Sensory-Perception can very much be a curse as it creates more quagmires for the ego to get hung up on. There is the specialness/uniqueness aspect to wrestle with and that people don't talk about it openly in order to pass on wiser perspectives on the phenomena, and it's a whole lot easier to get pushed around by a disembodied voice in your mind that travels with you everywhere than a voice attached to a body that you can walk away from. One has to switch their focus and look at the quality of the interaction and the character of the voice that is speaking. ESP and these non-ordinary experience are still external phenomena, wisdom is accessed by putting attention in the other direction. thank you Topo... What it sounded like wasnt what I ment to communicate. I 'stuck that in there' as i dont think it wise to bother with shit untill it surfaces on its own accord. To play with it aint my-thing as it often gets pple off-track, when life can be short an they waste a portion of their lifespan. Not me, Ive ignored it thirty or so years, cept now it is appearing, I like to make myself notice the differances..an hope others take notice as well. No, I am not evolved. I'm just another-person that is comfortable being here like never before an grateful for having such a life-span. What you are doing for pepps around you I like. I too deal with ppl(assist where needed), some really intelligent, some drastically insane due to a variety of reasons. "What we have in common then is an interest in Wisdom and an interest of exploring how we relate to the experiences we are having." Same.
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 14, 2013 17:27:13 GMT -5
I don't discount spirits, angels, archangels, UFOs, aliens, ghosts, Reptilians, channeled entities, etc, etc... I'm just not all that interested in them. To me, they are all just "form." Awhile back, while on the whole seeking/spiritual journey hamster wheel, I turned the other direction and found myself more fascinated in the formless. Thinking back to how it went... it's kind of hard to retrace it. I guess I arrived at the conclusion that material world -- forms-- are created by thoughts. Spirits, angels, etc may simply be created by thoughts too. The only difference may be that the chair you're sitting in, the computer you're typing on, your fingers that you are typing with are taken more for granted by your thoughts, than that angel hovering over your shoulder. To a schizophrenic, a hallucinated person sure seems very real. In other words, it may be that your beliefs truly do create your reality. That got me thinking, what if I let go of all my beliefs? Would the chair disappear? What about my fingers? Also I saw a problem with the "levels" of entities that the New Age community is so big about... that seemed very much a human, hierarchical, achievement-driven perspective. And Q's point about why the angel didn't help the other guy that got attacked. And souls... don't get me started about souls... And people sitting around on their butts doing nothing, because they expect friendly aliens to swoop in and save them in the 11th hour.. which is just as bad as blaming evil aliens for everything. I have seen ghosts though. A couple times in my life. Since I bought this house, about 12 years ago, I've seen shadows moving around in the dining room. Marie has also seen them and sensed them, though they were here before Marie was. A friend came to visit and we were talking on the patio. He was looking at something inside the house, and he said "Did you know you have astrals?" The point is, I don't seem to have much interest in astrals, and others are seeing them who also don't seem to have much interest, and yet there they are. I wouldn't say the thoughts of anyone involved are creating them, as such, though I don't have a problem with the idea that they are thought forms anyway. Something I've said before is that creation and perception are the same, but as you have mentioned about Love, creation is also impersonal. So your fingers are not really about 'your beliefs'. Your beliefs, and your fingers, are also impersonal. Hehe. They are, however, thought forms. That is interesting and this is the sort of topic I'd love to have more discussion around. This falls under the "we may never know but it's sure fun to think about" category. Tell me more about how my fingers are thought forms...
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Post by laughter on Aug 14, 2013 21:26:34 GMT -5
I don't discount spirits, angels, archangels, UFOs, aliens, ghosts, Reptilians, channeled entities, etc, etc... I'm just not all that interested in them. To me, they are all just "form." Awhile back, while on the whole seeking/spiritual journey hamster wheel, I turned the other direction and found myself more fascinated in the formless. Thinking back to how it went... it's kind of hard to retrace it. I guess I arrived at the conclusion that material world -- forms-- are created by thoughts. Spirits, angels, etc may simply be created by thoughts too. The only difference may be that the chair you're sitting in, the computer you're typing on, your fingers that you are typing with are taken more for granted by your thoughts, than that angel hovering over your shoulder. To a schizophrenic, a hallucinated person sure seems very real. In other words, it may be that your beliefs truly do create your reality. That got me thinking, what if I let go of all my beliefs? Would the chair disappear? What about my fingers? Also I saw a problem with the "levels" of entities that the New Age community is so big about... that seemed very much a human, hierarchical, achievement-driven perspective. And Q's point about why the angel didn't help the other guy that got attacked. And souls... don't get me started about souls... And people sitting around on their butts doing nothing, because they expect friendly aliens to swoop in and save them in the 11th hour.. which is just as bad as blaming evil aliens for everything. I have seen ghosts though. A couple times in my life. Since I bought this house, about 12 years ago, I've seen shadows moving around in the dining room. Marie has also seen them and sensed them, though they were here before Marie was. A friend came to visit and we were talking on the patio. He was looking at something inside the house, and he said "Did you know you have astrals?" The point is, I don't seem to have much interest in astrals, and others are seeing them who also don't seem to have much interest, and yet there they are. I wouldn't say the thoughts of anyone involved are creating them, as such, though I don't have a problem with the idea that they are thought forms anyway. Something I've said before is that creation and perception are the same, but as you have mentioned about Love, creation is also impersonal. So your fingers are not really about 'your beliefs'. Your beliefs, and your fingers, are also impersonal. Hehe. They are, however, thought forms. It's all the remote viewers and astral projectors that you've pissed off in all the forums that you've visited over the years keeping tabs on you.
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Post by enigma on Aug 14, 2013 21:56:24 GMT -5
Since I bought this house, about 12 years ago, I've seen shadows moving around in the dining room. Marie has also seen them and sensed them, though they were here before Marie was. A friend came to visit and we were talking on the patio. He was looking at something inside the house, and he said "Did you know you have astrals?" The point is, I don't seem to have much interest in astrals, and others are seeing them who also don't seem to have much interest, and yet there they are. I wouldn't say the thoughts of anyone involved are creating them, as such, though I don't have a problem with the idea that they are thought forms anyway. Something I've said before is that creation and perception are the same, but as you have mentioned about Love, creation is also impersonal. So your fingers are not really about 'your beliefs'. Your beliefs, and your fingers, are also impersonal. Hehe. They are, however, thought forms. That is interesting and this is the sort of topic I'd love to have more discussion around. This falls under the "we may never know but it's sure fun to think about" category. Tell me more about how my fingers are thought forms... Welp, if creation and perception are the same, then it is the act of observing your fingers that 'causes' them to appear. As such, best to keep an eye on those fingers at all times.
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Post by enigma on Aug 14, 2013 21:59:56 GMT -5
Since I bought this house, about 12 years ago, I've seen shadows moving around in the dining room. Marie has also seen them and sensed them, though they were here before Marie was. A friend came to visit and we were talking on the patio. He was looking at something inside the house, and he said "Did you know you have astrals?" The point is, I don't seem to have much interest in astrals, and others are seeing them who also don't seem to have much interest, and yet there they are. I wouldn't say the thoughts of anyone involved are creating them, as such, though I don't have a problem with the idea that they are thought forms anyway. Something I've said before is that creation and perception are the same, but as you have mentioned about Love, creation is also impersonal. So your fingers are not really about 'your beliefs'. Your beliefs, and your fingers, are also impersonal. Hehe. They are, however, thought forms. It's all the remote viewers and astral projectors that you've pissed off in all the forums that you've visited over the years keeping tabs on you. Well, I know Mr G is on that list. Maybe he made me buy the house. Don't EVEN get me started on the orb hootnany in my garden.
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Post by silver on Aug 15, 2013 8:02:24 GMT -5
It's all the remote viewers and astral projectors that you've pissed off in all the forums that you've visited over the years keeping tabs on you. Well, I know Mr G is on that list. Maybe he made me buy the house. Don't EVEN get me started on the orb hootnany in my garden. You've got photos, too, I'll bet. Didja ever see Smiler's thread at SF of all her orbs and 'visitors' out back at her place?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 8:46:22 GMT -5
I'm not quite there yet - if I ever will be is up in the air. Impersonal just means it's not about your vibes, or your morality, or whether you are a good person or a bad person, or have bad karma from a supposed past life, or are a lucky or unlucky person, or are super-rich/powerful person. None of that matters, in the end, Life treats us all equally - we are all here a short time and inevitably we all have to die. You said you "still believe in love"... love doesn't require your belief. Love just is. Do you know what love is? Love is impersonal ... love loves regardless of your vibes, your morality, your goodness/badness/karma, luck or unluck.... and "to love" is merely the act of seeing. It is not a preference, or a reward, or something to be earned. It's all in the seeing. "super-rich/powerful person" Superrich=Powerful Person? ...conditioning Love is personal not only impersonal. I wouldn'y hire you to baby sit my children.
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Post by enigma on Aug 15, 2013 11:18:01 GMT -5
Well, I know Mr G is on that list. Maybe he made me buy the house. Don't EVEN get me started on the orb hootnany in my garden. You've got photos, too, I'll bet. I'll hafta look around for em. Gnaw, the word lawyers got the judge to sign a restraining order on me over there. Can't go within 100 feet of the place.
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 15, 2013 12:45:47 GMT -5
Impersonal just means it's not about your vibes, or your morality, or whether you are a good person or a bad person, or have bad karma from a supposed past life, or are a lucky or unlucky person, or are super-rich/powerful person. None of that matters, in the end, Life treats us all equally - we are all here a short time and inevitably we all have to die. You said you "still believe in love"... love doesn't require your belief. Love just is. Do you know what love is? Love is impersonal ... love loves regardless of your vibes, your morality, your goodness/badness/karma, luck or unluck.... and "to love" is merely the act of seeing. It is not a preference, or a reward, or something to be earned. It's all in the seeing. "super-rich/powerful person" Superrich=Powerful Person? ...conditioning Love is personal not only impersonal. I wouldn'y hire you to baby sit my children.Am I supposed to take that personally?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 14:28:26 GMT -5
"super-rich/powerful person" Superrich=Powerful Person? ...conditioning Love is personal not only impersonal. I wouldn'y hire you to baby sit my children.Am I supposed to take that personally? I didn't mean for it to be taken personally. I hardly notice the names when I post.
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