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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 13, 2013 16:03:48 GMT -5
Impersonal... life is impersonal... I'm not quite there yet - if I ever will be is up in the air. Impersonal just means it's not about your vibes, or your morality, or whether you are a good person or a bad person, or have bad karma from a supposed past life, or are a lucky or unlucky person, or are super-rich/powerful person. None of that matters, in the end, Life treats us all equally - we are all here a short time and inevitably we all have to die. You said you "still believe in love"... love doesn't require your belief. Love just is. Do you know what love is? Love is impersonal ... love loves regardless of your vibes, your morality, your goodness/badness/karma, luck or unluck.... and "to love" is merely the act of seeing. It is not a preference, or a reward, or something to be earned. It's all in the seeing.
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Post by silver on Aug 13, 2013 16:08:42 GMT -5
I'm not quite there yet - if I ever will be is up in the air. Impersonal just means it's not about your vibes, or your morality, or whether you are a good person or a bad person, or have bad karma from a supposed past life, or are a lucky or unlucky person, or are super-rich/powerful person. None of that matters, in the end, Life treats us all equally - we are all here a short time and inevitably we all have to die. You said you "still believe in love"... love doesn't require your belief. Love just is. Do you know what love is? Love is impersonal ... love loves regardless of your vibes, your morality, your goodness/badness/karma, luck or unluck.... and "to love" is merely the act of seeing. It is not a preference, or a reward, or something to be earned. It's all in the seeing. I find a lot - sense a lot just missing from this philosophy, I guess. I understand it all comes out poop in the end, though. *shrug* I just believe in the invisible / intangible stuff - not just love, but spirit(s) - It doesn't matter what one believes - nothing is truly 'provable' - if it were to be decided in a court of law - 99.9% of hard-to-prove stuff is going to have to be 'decided' by circumstantial evidence, by and large...
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 13, 2013 16:33:29 GMT -5
Impersonal just means it's not about your vibes, or your morality, or whether you are a good person or a bad person, or have bad karma from a supposed past life, or are a lucky or unlucky person, or are super-rich/powerful person. None of that matters, in the end, Life treats us all equally - we are all here a short time and inevitably we all have to die. You said you "still believe in love"... love doesn't require your belief. Love just is. Do you know what love is? Love is impersonal ... love loves regardless of your vibes, your morality, your goodness/badness/karma, luck or unluck.... and "to love" is merely the act of seeing. It is not a preference, or a reward, or something to be earned. It's all in the seeing. I find a lot - sense a lot just missing from this philosophy, I guess. I understand it all comes out poop in the end, though. *shrug* I just believe in the invisible / intangible stuff - not just love, but spirit(s) - It doesn't matter what one believes - nothing is truly 'provable' - if it were to be decided in a court of law - 99.9% of hard-to-prove stuff is going to have to be 'decided' by circumstantial evidence, by and large... I don't discount spirits, angels, archangels, UFOs, aliens, ghosts, Reptilians, channeled entities, etc, etc... I'm just not all that interested in them. To me, they are all just "form." Awhile back, while on the whole seeking/spiritual journey hamster wheel, I turned the other direction and found myself more fascinated in the formless. Thinking back to how it went... it's kind of hard to retrace it. I guess I arrived at the conclusion that material world -- forms-- are created by thoughts. Spirits, angels, etc may simply be created by thoughts too. The only difference may be that the chair you're sitting in, the computer you're typing on, your fingers that you are typing with are taken more for granted by your thoughts, than that angel hovering over your shoulder. To a schizophrenic, a hallucinated person sure seems very real. In other words, it may be that your beliefs truly do create your reality. That got me thinking, what if I let go of all my beliefs? Would the chair disappear? What about my fingers? Also I saw a problem with the "levels" of entities that the New Age community is so big about... that seemed very much a human, hierarchical, achievement-driven perspective. And Q's point about why the angel didn't help the other guy that got attacked. And souls... don't get me started about souls... And people sitting around on their butts doing nothing, because they expect friendly aliens to swoop in and save them in the 11th hour.. which is just as bad as blaming evil aliens for everything. I have seen ghosts though. A couple times in my life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 16:51:14 GMT -5
That got me thinking, what if I let go of all my beliefs? Would the chair disappear? What about my fingers? And did they?
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 13, 2013 16:56:44 GMT -5
That got me thinking, what if I let go of all my beliefs? Would the chair disappear? What about my fingers? And did they? Nah, that one is a pretty stubborn belief.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:44:11 GMT -5
you can do worse than that... common, give me your best shot! (brings in the piss-bucket ready to catch vomit)It was simply common sense, you idiot. am communicating with you on the plane of idiots... tune-in dickhead
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:48:37 GMT -5
over to you??? you may end up in a mental institution an be unable to afford to pay your way out an have to live-in an do dishes there to pay off your psychiatric fees. You'll find plenty of humans there that have trouble like you have. Don't think that everyone is as weak-minded as you. We can handle it, don't worry about us. how many in your 'us' gang? Over here in Australia our mental-institutions are full of locals an tourists that come here looking for enlightenment from the aboriginals an get heat stroke. Having a weak-mind leads one to a stronger mind to lean such things as mind-control. Perhaps you could truely help me in this field? Where can we meet? Is this room big enough for both of us, public enough or do we need to move out into privacy to speak words of love?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:54:37 GMT -5
I can definitely get on board with that one. A manifestation of need in the moment. activating soul-qualities the mind didnt think it had? What, no-mind, no-soul, no athiest, no born-a-gain christions.... the jehovah witnesses spirited my brother away, an near killed my Mother, by denying her blood. Nothing is real.
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Post by enigma on Aug 13, 2013 22:14:07 GMT -5
I find a lot - sense a lot just missing from this philosophy, I guess. I understand it all comes out poop in the end, though. *shrug* I just believe in the invisible / intangible stuff - not just love, but spirit(s) - It doesn't matter what one believes - nothing is truly 'provable' - if it were to be decided in a court of law - 99.9% of hard-to-prove stuff is going to have to be 'decided' by circumstantial evidence, by and large... I don't discount spirits, angels, archangels, UFOs, aliens, ghosts, Reptilians, channeled entities, etc, etc... I'm just not all that interested in them. To me, they are all just "form." Awhile back, while on the whole seeking/spiritual journey hamster wheel, I turned the other direction and found myself more fascinated in the formless. Thinking back to how it went... it's kind of hard to retrace it. I guess I arrived at the conclusion that material world -- forms-- are created by thoughts. Spirits, angels, etc may simply be created by thoughts too. The only difference may be that the chair you're sitting in, the computer you're typing on, your fingers that you are typing with are taken more for granted by your thoughts, than that angel hovering over your shoulder. To a schizophrenic, a hallucinated person sure seems very real. In other words, it may be that your beliefs truly do create your reality. That got me thinking, what if I let go of all my beliefs? Would the chair disappear? What about my fingers? Also I saw a problem with the "levels" of entities that the New Age community is so big about... that seemed very much a human, hierarchical, achievement-driven perspective. And Q's point about why the angel didn't help the other guy that got attacked. And souls... don't get me started about souls... And people sitting around on their butts doing nothing, because they expect friendly aliens to swoop in and save them in the 11th hour.. which is just as bad as blaming evil aliens for everything. I have seen ghosts though. A couple times in my life. Since I bought this house, about 12 years ago, I've seen shadows moving around in the dining room. Marie has also seen them and sensed them, though they were here before Marie was. A friend came to visit and we were talking on the patio. He was looking at something inside the house, and he said "Did you know you have astrals?" The point is, I don't seem to have much interest in astrals, and others are seeing them who also don't seem to have much interest, and yet there they are. I wouldn't say the thoughts of anyone involved are creating them, as such, though I don't have a problem with the idea that they are thought forms anyway. Something I've said before is that creation and perception are the same, but as you have mentioned about Love, creation is also impersonal. So your fingers are not really about 'your beliefs'. Your beliefs, and your fingers, are also impersonal. Hehe. They are, however, thought forms.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 14, 2013 4:17:08 GMT -5
It was simply common sense, you idiot. am communicating with you on the plane of idiots... tune-in penishead I'm sorry but you're a clown, and not even remotely funny. I'm done with you. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 8:41:01 GMT -5
am communicating with you on the plane of idiots... tune-in penishead I'm sorry but you're a clown, and not even remotely funny. I'm done with you. Good luck. glad you could reveal yourself in the arena.. enjoy your sorryness whilst it lasts
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Post by topology on Aug 14, 2013 9:04:15 GMT -5
Good question. If we're living in an imperfect world, it doesn't mean - doesn't rule out anything - even angels - guardian angels, whatever kind of angels - it's been perceived somewhere way back in time that they 'exist' - nobody can rule them out. It doesn't sit well with me that life is unfair, fyi. I came to accept it at an early age, but I still get upset at it. We can't know the answers - if there are any. But I still believe in love and I don't even understand why. I'm not ruling out that angels exist. I'm ruling out the possibility that they are benevolent. Instead of helping some insignificant woman not to drown, or some insignificant woman not to be beaten up by thugs, why not go have a talk with the world leaders, wouldn't that help a whole lot more people... like millions of them? You see, the whole thing just doesn't make any sense. Which is why i like SQ's suggestion that they are Tulpas
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 9:16:40 GMT -5
I don't discount spirits, angels, archangels, UFOs, aliens, ghosts, Reptilians, channeled entities, etc, etc... I'm just not all that interested in them. To me, they are all just "form." Awhile back, while on the whole seeking/spiritual journey hamster wheel, I turned the other direction and found myself more fascinated in the formless. Thinking back to how it went... it's kind of hard to retrace it. I guess I arrived at the conclusion that material world -- forms-- are created by thoughts. Spirits, angels, etc may simply be created by thoughts too. The only difference may be that the chair you're sitting in, the computer you're typing on, your fingers that you are typing with are taken more for granted by your thoughts, than that angel hovering over your shoulder. To a schizophrenic, a hallucinated person sure seems very real. In other words, it may be that your beliefs truly do create your reality. That got me thinking, what if I let go of all my beliefs? Would the chair disappear? What about my fingers? Also I saw a problem with the "levels" of entities that the New Age community is so big about... that seemed very much a human, hierarchical, achievement-driven perspective. And Q's point about why the angel didn't help the other guy that got attacked. And souls... don't get me started about souls... And people sitting around on their butts doing nothing, because they expect friendly aliens to swoop in and save them in the 11th hour.. which is just as bad as blaming evil aliens for everything. I have seen ghosts though. A couple times in my life. Since I bought this house, about 12 years ago, I've seen shadows moving around in the dining room. Marie has also seen them and sensed them, though they were here before Marie was. A friend came to visit and we were talking on the patio. He was looking at something inside the house, and he said "Did you know you have astrals?" The point is, I don't seem to have much interest in astrals, and others are seeing them who also don't seem to have much interest, and yet there they are. I wouldn't say the thoughts of anyone involved are creating them, as such, though I don't have a problem with the idea that they are thought forms anyway. Something I've said before is that creation and perception are the same, but as you have mentioned about Love, creation is also impersonal. So your fingers are not really about 'your beliefs'. Your beliefs, and your fingers, are also impersonal. Hehe. They are, however, thought forms. Shadows are astrals or thought forms.... is there a difference? I was hoping others might share some light on the differences. For me, I dont mind becoming aware of things I am about to get to know, (I don't go seeking experience) but I thought there maybe some here in ST that are further along the track an able to discern the various (colours) ie, different sorts of projections, such as thought-projection, subtle-body projection, bodyless beings an souls simply seeking the light that is emitted around sensitive beings who have de-skinned themselves during their realisation process.
Obviously, the best thing to do, if one is frightened is to pretend these things dont exist, run-off an play with ppl like themselves an forget about weired stuff they cannot make sense of... like my new friend Eppur si muove. Dismissing people is best I feel when one hasnt had any experience themselves, or who might still be ailing with their beliefs or a religious conviction. My own conditioning guided me to stay-out of psychic-matters an interests of this kind an to stay focussed on the goal of self realisation an unity an be open-hearted to all people no matter how weird they might appear to be, but 30+ yrs along the track, I have to ask myself(YOU) there is much out there an in here that defies description. Why turn away from what is right beside you, that might be coming an going, that sometimes comes-in an dosen't come out.
Maybe, now that the bullie(s) have run-off tails between their legs its ok for others to chat?
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Post by topology on Aug 14, 2013 9:18:30 GMT -5
Impersonal just means it's not about your vibes, or your morality, or whether you are a good person or a bad person, or have bad karma from a supposed past life, or are a lucky or unlucky person, or are super-rich/powerful person. None of that matters, in the end, Life treats us all equally - we are all here a short time and inevitably we all have to die. You said you "still believe in love"... love doesn't require your belief. Love just is. Do you know what love is? Love is impersonal ... love loves regardless of your vibes, your morality, your goodness/badness/karma, luck or unluck.... and "to love" is merely the act of seeing. It is not a preference, or a reward, or something to be earned. It's all in the seeing. I find a lot - sense a lot just missing from this philosophy, I guess. I understand it all comes out poop in the end, though. *shrug* I just believe in the invisible / intangible stuff - not just love, but spirit(s) - It doesn't matter what one believes - nothing is truly 'provable' - if it were to be decided in a court of law - 99.9% of hard-to-prove stuff is going to have to be 'decided' by circumstantial evidence, by and large... Horrible Fickleness is an interpretation coming from the interruption of personal desire and agenda. The impersonal emotion that happens most during events of fickleness is Awe and looking to see how problems get resolved by such a resilient species as human beings.
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Post by topology on Aug 14, 2013 9:33:35 GMT -5
Since I bought this house, about 12 years ago, I've seen shadows moving around in the dining room. Marie has also seen them and sensed them, though they were here before Marie was. A friend came to visit and we were talking on the patio. He was looking at something inside the house, and he said "Did you know you have astrals?" The point is, I don't seem to have much interest in astrals, and others are seeing them who also don't seem to have much interest, and yet there they are. I wouldn't say the thoughts of anyone involved are creating them, as such, though I don't have a problem with the idea that they are thought forms anyway. Something I've said before is that creation and perception are the same, but as you have mentioned about Love, creation is also impersonal. So your fingers are not really about 'your beliefs'. Your beliefs, and your fingers, are also impersonal. Hehe. They are, however, thought forms. Shadows are astrals or thought forms.... is there a difference? I was hoping others might share some light on the differences. For me, I dont mind becoming aware of things I am about to get to know, (I don't go seeking experience) but I thought there maybe some here in ST that are further along the track an able to discern the various (colours) ie, different sorts of projections, such as thought-projection, subtle-body projection, bodyless beings an souls simply seeking the light that is emitted around sensitive beings who have de-skinned themselves during their realisation process.
Obviously, the best thing to do, if one is frightened is to pretend these things dont exist, run-off an play with ppl like themselves an forget about weired stuff they cannot make sense of... like my new friend Eppur si muove. Dismissing people is best I feel when one hasnt had any experience themselves, or who might still be ailing with their beliefs or a religious conviction. My own conditioning guided me to stay-out of psychic-matters an interests of this kind an to stay focussed on the goal of self realisation an unity an be open-hearted to all people no matter how weird they might appear to be, but 30+ yrs along the track, I have to ask myself(YOU) there is much out there an in here that defies description. Why turn away from what is right beside you, that comes an goes, that sometimes comes in an dosnt leave.
Maybe, now that some of the bullies have run-off tail between their legs we can chat?
Alfio, it sounded like you were putting forward the idea that someone who could see external spirits was more "evolved". I don't have those experiences to any significant degree myself, but I have many in my local community who do. To me the question isn't how do I get to a point of experiencing what they experience but how can I help them live with these extraordinary experiences since they are going to be a part of their reality. What we have in common then is an interest in Wisdom and an interest of exploring how we relate to the experiences we are having. Is a man less evolved for having color blindness? What if he was a philanthropist and saw the world as himself? From what I've seen, having Extra-Sensory-Perception can very much be a curse as it creates more quagmires for the ego to get hung up on. There is the specialness/uniqueness aspect to wrestle with and that people don't talk about it openly in order to pass on wiser perspectives on the phenomena, and it's a whole lot easier to get pushed around by a disembodied voice in your mind that travels with you everywhere than a voice attached to a body that you can walk away from. One has to switch their focus and look at the quality of the interaction and the character of the voice that is speaking. ESP and these non-ordinary experience are still external phenomena, wisdom is accessed by putting attention in the other direction.
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