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Post by enigma on Aug 14, 2013 23:54:37 GMT -5
If no one has control, then how does one 'not play games'; 'realize'; see 'what in blazes is going on'; and all the other things you provide imperatives that they do? I'm asking this, because you imply control (or volition, if that's the term you prefer to use) when you say, 'stop playing games', etc. Realization is a happening, not a doing. It's not the personal that realizes, it's the impersonal that realizes. Which means your questions are ... wait for it... misconceived.
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Post by topology on Aug 15, 2013 10:46:20 GMT -5
No, you're certainly not, and I'm not holding my breath. Yet another coat of varnish.... Hmm, varnish fumes and Enigma didn't mix well last time, maybe he should be holding his breath.
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Post by silence on Aug 15, 2013 17:05:33 GMT -5
When you start getting into layered reactions like being okay with not being okay or not being okay with being okay, you're deep in the territory of insanity. Hmm. Sounds like you're not okay with it, either. Yep, pretty deep.
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Post by silence on Aug 15, 2013 17:19:19 GMT -5
You're talking in jibberish, again. Non-volition means not wanting something, or wanting to do something (volition < uolo, to want or wish). Of course, this now gets into a definition with you (again), so I'll just drop it. Seems we've finally got to the root of your confusion: Your definition of 'volition' is clearly wrong. You may or may not be right about the origins and the original meaning of the word volition. However, this is the 21st century AD, Bengst, not the 1st century BC. I'd say it would be helpful if you would stick to the modern day definitions of words to have a meaningful conversation with modern day folks. You mean four thousand year old Latin dictionaries only complicate discussions here?!
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Post by enigma on Aug 15, 2013 17:52:21 GMT -5
Seems we've finally got to the root of your confusion: Your definition of 'volition' is clearly wrong. You may or may not be right about the origins and the original meaning of the word volition. However, this is the 21st century AD, Bengst, not the 1st century BC. I'd say it would be helpful if you would stick to the modern day definitions of words to have a meaningful conversation with modern day folks. You mean four thousand year old Latin dictionaries only complicate discussions here?! Yeah, I don't volition that we use that dictionary.
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Post by Beingist on Aug 15, 2013 18:40:50 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Aug 15, 2013 19:55:12 GMT -5
Volition and control go hand in hand. It rather seems you are deliberately playing dumb and looking for reasons to prolong your grudge against Enigma. Not saying that there's anything wrong with that... I believe that's the case too, not only by making control and volition entirely separate issues, but by refusing to challenge his conclusions that I'm contradicting myself. Why would he want to hold onto his 'grudge'? He was in that kind of mood before, periodically. But he used to take a frequent look at what he was actually doing which brought things into balance again. However, it really seemed to become his most practiced mood after he checked himself out from RH and joined the invisible folks and even went invisible himself a few weeks ago. Since then he seems to misunderstand just anything. So maybe he should retrace his steps. Being visible again may be a first step on the road back to mental presence. Said that, I still give Bengst the benefit of the doubt, his current attitude has gathered a lot of momentum lately, especially with the help of others, so it's not that easy to just stop and turn around without leaving skid marks...
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Post by Reefs on Aug 15, 2013 20:05:04 GMT -5
Seems we've finally got to the root of your confusion: Your definition of 'volition' is clearly wrong. You may or may not be right about the origins and the original meaning of the word volition. However, this is the 21st century AD, Bengst, not the 1st century BC. I'd say it would be helpful if you would stick to the modern day definitions of words to have a meaningful conversation with modern day folks. You mean four thousand year old Latin dictionaries only complicate discussions here?! Yup. Bold statement, isn't it?
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Post by Beingist on Aug 15, 2013 21:33:03 GMT -5
You mean four thousand year old Latin dictionaries only complicate discussions here?! Yup. Bold statement, isn't it? Hmm. Whole thing rather proves the point of the OP, don't it?
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Post by enigma on Aug 15, 2013 21:37:20 GMT -5
I believe that's the case too, not only by making control and volition entirely separate issues, but by refusing to challenge his conclusions that I'm contradicting myself. Why would he want to hold onto his 'grudge'? He was in that kind of mood before, periodically. But he used to take a frequent look at what he was actually doing which brought things into balance again. However, it really seemed to become his most practiced mood after he checked himself out from RH and joined the invisible folks and even went invisible himself a few weeks ago. Since then he seems to misunderstand just anything. So maybe he should retrace his steps. Being visible again may be a first step on the road back to mental presence. Said that, I still give Bengst the benefit of the doubt, his current attitude has gathered a lot of momentum lately, especially with the help of others, so it's not that easy to just stop and turn around without leaving skid marks... I'm down wit all dat.
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Post by Beingist on Aug 15, 2013 22:06:37 GMT -5
He was in that kind of mood before, periodically. But he used to take a frequent look at what he was actually doing which brought things into balance again. However, it really seemed to become his most practiced mood after he checked himself out from RH and joined the invisible folks and even went invisible himself a few weeks ago. Since then he seems to misunderstand just anything. So maybe he should retrace his steps. Being visible again may be a first step on the road back to mental presence. Said that, I still give Bengst the benefit of the doubt, his current attitude has gathered a lot of momentum lately, especially with the help of others, so it's not that easy to just stop and turn around without leaving skid marks... I'm down wit all dat. Yes, I guess I make a good test subject for your mental water polo games, what with surveying the mental landscape, and all that.
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Post by Beingist on Aug 15, 2013 22:11:20 GMT -5
Yet another coat of varnish.... Hmm, varnish fumes and Enigma didn't mix well last time, maybe he should be holding his breath. I'm beginning to suspect he's taking up the varnishing task full-time, myself.
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Post by Beingist on Aug 15, 2013 22:26:19 GMT -5
Hmm. Sounds like you're not okay with it, either. Yep, pretty deep. Guess not. Chalk up another E team member who doesn't like answering questions. So much for sincerity.
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Post by Reefs on Aug 16, 2013 0:23:05 GMT -5
Yes, I guess I make a good test subject for your mental water polo games, what with surveying the mental landscape, and all that. Would there be anything wrong with that?
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Post by Reefs on Aug 16, 2013 0:29:03 GMT -5
Guess not. Chalk up another E team member who doesn't like answering questions. So much for sincerity. That's the problemo here. Assuming alliances and such.
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