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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 21:21:48 GMT -5
All reference points create a perspective that produces an illusion. See if you can find what is beyond ALL reference points, and let it take you in. The can of soup in Top's pantry? I kid, I kid.. I am tired now. Getting punch drunk. I'm not going to try to see or find anything. No doer here anymore. It's going to have to come and get me itself. Haha, only stay alert right now, and it will
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 21:23:54 GMT -5
Oh you know, that thing where one day you are able to spend 50% of the day in samadhi, the next day it's 75%, the next it's 87.5%%, the next is 93.75% but slowly and surely, you work your way to 99.99%, finally a gnat farts and that is the last 0.01% push you needed to cross Xeno's paradox to guarantee that you would never ever, ever never fall into that wicked state of ordinary consciousness ever again. Do you do puppet shows too :-)
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 29, 2013 21:25:16 GMT -5
The can of soup in Top's pantry? I kid, I kid.. I am tired now. Getting punch drunk. I'm not going to try to see or find anything. No doer here anymore. It's going to have to come and get me itself. Haha, only stay alert right now, and it will Heh, after saying on here "I rarely dream anymore" I had three nights of vivid dreams .. more vivid than anything I've had in a long time. Go figure, huh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 21:27:14 GMT -5
Haha, only stay alert right now, and it will Heh, after saying on here "I rarely dream anymore" I had three nights of vivid dreams .. more vivid than anything I've had in a long time. Go figure, huh? :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 21:39:12 GMT -5
the optical illusion utilises the lack of depth when the brain creates an image of what it sees since the eyes see only in two dimensions. the brain to compensate this lack of depth in seeing access its memory to "fill in" the depths and then create an image as close as what the eyes see. steve, how is this related to too much thinking causes illusion? is what you mean is weong thinking leads wrong assumption? what illusion is there to dispel? Did you watch the part of the video that I referenced? by "illusion", I don't mean an inaccuracy, I mean the appearence of something that can only be experienced from a specific perspective, while its full nature cannot be seen from that perspective.....your entire existence is a perspective that creates an illusion if seperateness and differentiation. And there are layers and layers of how deep you can get absorbed into that perspective. And the illusion is ever changing, ever unfolding as you position continuously changes. Wherever there is a you, you are in an experiencial perspective that creates and illusion of an self existence that is differentiated from the undifferentiated whole. Hybrid....what are you, down really deep...what is your most essential nature? What is observing whatever it is that is being observed? See if you can look inside and find it. Are you only a mechanical apperatus made of biochemistry? What are you, what is at the source of everything that you experience? Where is that single reference point where everything that you experience meets, and what is it really like? And remember, your thoughts are something that you can experience, something you can observe passing by, what is there watching them go by? Where do thought emerge, and where do they dissapate to? Don't figure it out, look closely to see it like waiting to see a mouse coming from it hole.
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Post by laughter on Jul 29, 2013 21:45:28 GMT -5
trf, is the attention is on reason your way of saying "thinking"? i noticed that some people used too much thinking analysing and intellectualiIng as some form of rebuke here as if thinking is a bad thing around this part of the world? why is this so? Hey hybrid, welcome to ST btw. TMT isn't necessarily about quantity of thought though that can be an indicator of a sort ... it's usually used to call out lines of reasoning about the unreasonable ... of using the thinking rational mind where it's not useful. For example, if I were to assert that there are limitations on the power of language to capture reality I might go on to say that: The ineffable, is ineffable. <TMT> Anything said about the ineffable is meaningless </TMT> The underlying topic of conversation here is our identity ... and it's quite possible to get to a point in a conversation really quickly where investigating a thought with more thought is just a merry-go-round.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 21:51:49 GMT -5
trf, is the attention is on reason your way of saying "thinking"? i noticed that some people used too much thinking analysing and intellectualiIng as some form of rebuke here as if thinking is a bad thing around this part of the world? why is this so? Hey hybrid, welcome to ST btw. TMT isn't necessarily about quantity of thought though that can be an indicator of a sort ... it's usually used to call out lines of reasoning about the unreasonable ... of using the thinking rational mind where it's not useful. For example, if I were to assert that there are limitations on the power of language to capture reality I might go on to say that: The ineffable, is ineffable. <TMT> Anything said about the ineffable is meaningless </TMT> The underlying topic of conversation here is our identity ... and it's quite possible to get to a point in a conversation really quickly where investigating a thought with more thought is just a merry-go-round. Said another way, most folks are interested in how, not why, and at some point in the how investigation thinking about how is just not as productive as looking at how. Or better yet, directly experiencing "how"
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Post by laughter on Jul 29, 2013 21:57:50 GMT -5
i will never teach my gnosis to anyone. not unless they beg me and threathen to cut off their hand if i refuse to. hee-hee Oooh, oooh, pick me, pick me. I want to learn your gnosis over Steve's gnosis! Here ya' go topo' ... Get convincing now!
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Post by laughter on Jul 29, 2013 21:58:56 GMT -5
Hey hybrid, welcome to ST btw. TMT isn't necessarily about quantity of thought though that can be an indicator of a sort ... it's usually used to call out lines of reasoning about the unreasonable ... of using the thinking rational mind where it's not useful. For example, if I were to assert that there are limitations on the power of language to capture reality I might go on to say that: The ineffable, is ineffable. <TMT> Anything said about the ineffable is meaningless </TMT> The underlying topic of conversation here is our identity ... and it's quite possible to get to a point in a conversation really quickly where investigating a thought with more thought is just a merry-go-round. Said another way, most folks are interested in how, not why, and at some point in the how investigation thinking about how is just not as productive as looking at how. Or better yet, directly experiencing "how" So what do you have to say on the interest in "why"?
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Post by laughter on Jul 29, 2013 22:01:00 GMT -5
Haha, only stay alert right now, and it will Heh, after saying on here "I rarely dream anymore" I had three nights of vivid dreams .. more vivid than anything I've had in a long time. Go figure, huh? Ever hear of "lucid dreaming"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 22:02:31 GMT -5
Said another way, most folks are interested in how, not why, and at some point in the how investigation thinking about how is just not as productive as looking at how. Or better yet, directly experiencing "how" So what do you have to say on the interest in "why"? Just seems like psychology to me, and I don't have much interest in "why" the mind moves one direction or the other....I use to have interest in how it moved at all, but even that is kind of gone. Not Knowing has a wonder to it :-)
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Post by laughter on Jul 29, 2013 22:03:56 GMT -5
So what do you have to say on the interest in "why"? Just seems like psychology to me, and I don't have much interest in "why" the mind moves one direction or the other....I use to have interest in how it moved at all, but even that is kind of gone. Not Knowing has a wonder to it :-) yes, ... why ask why?
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Post by laughter on Jul 29, 2013 22:06:17 GMT -5
If your goal is to "figure everything out", then there is no problem with thinking :-) if you want to gnosis your nature in its entirety, thinking can be a "problem". There are aspects of your nature that cannot be fathomed with thought, only immersion will do. Functionally, think of your existance like a funnel of awareness....thinking narrows down the "view" considerably. iow, this kind of rebuke is a teacher-disciple thing? My guess is that you won't find a single voice here lay claim to being a teacher.
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 29, 2013 22:06:47 GMT -5
Heh, after saying on here "I rarely dream anymore" I had three nights of vivid dreams .. more vivid than anything I've had in a long time. Go figure, huh? Ever hear of "lucid dreaming"? Yes, I can lucid dream.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 22:07:04 GMT -5
Just seems like psychology to me, and I don't have much interest in "why" the mind moves one direction or the other....I use to have interest in how it moved at all, but even that is kind of gone. Not Knowing has a wonder to it :-) yes, ... why ask why? Haha, seems like a dog chasing it's tail...
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