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Post by laughter on Jul 29, 2013 22:09:18 GMT -5
Ever hear of "lucid dreaming"? Yes, I can lucid dream. sounds like fuuuuuuun ...
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Post by laughter on Jul 29, 2013 22:09:56 GMT -5
Haha, seems like a dog chasing it's tail... Yes! let it get tired if it won't rest on it's own accord!
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 29, 2013 22:22:14 GMT -5
sounds like fuuuuuuun ... Eh, I dunno.. maybe I interrupted the fun. One dream was about a tsunami. When fear arose, I went lucid and figured out a way to get in a boat, so I was safe when it hit. Then I woke up and I laid there in bed wondering if that was actually doable, in event of real tsunami, maybe so if you are already IN the ocean, but maybe not if the boat is on land already. The other dreams were about buying a house. I dream of houses a lot (when I dream). This house was similar to a past house dream a year or so ago. I went lucid so I could walk through the house and examine it in detail; it was not really a house, it was more like a warehouse. The dream is still stuck in my head, days later. Ultimately it's a rather mundane dream -- no dragons.
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Post by laughter on Jul 29, 2013 22:34:42 GMT -5
sounds like fuuuuuuun ... Eh, I dunno.. maybe I interrupted the fun. One dream was about a tsunami. When fear arose, I went lucid and figured out a way to get in a boat, so I was safe when it hit. Then I woke up and I laid there in bed wondering if that was actually doable, in event of real tsunami, maybe so if you are already IN the ocean, but maybe not if the boat is on land already. The other dreams were about buying a house. I dream of houses a lot (when I dream). This house was similar to a past house dream a year or so ago. I went lucid so I could walk through the house and examine it in detail; it was not really a house, it was more like a warehouse. The dream is still stuck in my head, days later. Ultimately it's a rather mundane dream -- no dragons. Might work in a tsunami but if you try it in a tzunami you'll just get scolded!
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Post by topology on Jul 29, 2013 22:52:33 GMT -5
Oooh, oooh, pick me, pick me. I want to learn your gnosis over Steve's gnosis! Here ya' go topo' ... Get convincing now! Palmella, Noooooo! I can't part with you yet??
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Post by hybrid on Jul 29, 2013 23:05:15 GMT -5
Said another way, most folks are interested in how, not why, and at some point in the how investigation thinking about how is just not as productive as looking at how. Or better yet, directly experiencing "how" So what do you have to say on the interest in "why"? there is no why. i watched the matrix yasanabagan. lol
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Post by hybrid on Jul 29, 2013 23:11:52 GMT -5
trf, is the attention is on reason your way of saying "thinking"? i noticed that some people used too much thinking analysing and intellectualiIng as some form of rebuke here as if thinking is a bad thing around this part of the world? why is this so? Hey hybrid, welcome to ST btw. TMT isn't necessarily about quantity of thought though that can be an indicator of a sort ... it's usually used to call out lines of reasoning about the unreasonable ... of using the thinking rational mind where it's not useful. For example, if I were to assert that there are limitations on the power of language to capture reality I might go on to say that: The ineffable, is ineffable. <TMT> Anything said about the ineffable is meaningless </TMT> The underlying topic of conversation here is our identity ... and it's quite possible to get to a point in a conversation really quickly where investigating a thought with more thought is just a merry-go-round. okay. so when someone said too much philosophying, what he meant is in context to his school of thoughts and beliefs it is not good. yes? so that when one embarks ro discover the true nature of his identity thnking it out is counterproductive. yes?
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Post by hybrid on Jul 29, 2013 23:32:34 GMT -5
the optical illusion utilises the lack of depth when the brain creates an image of what it sees since the eyes see only in two dimensions. the brain to compensate this lack of depth in seeing access its memory to "fill in" the depths and then create an image as close as what the eyes see. steve, how is this related to too much thinking causes illusion? is what you mean is weong thinking leads wrong assumption? what illusion is there to dispel? Did you watch the part of the video that I referenced? by "illusion", I don't mean an inaccuracy, I mean the appearence of something that can only be experienced from a specific perspective, while its full nature cannot be seen from that perspective.....your entire existence is a perspective that creates an illusion if seperateness and differentiation. And there are layers and layers of how deep you can get absorbed into that perspective. And the illusion is ever changing, ever unfolding as you position continuously changes. Wherever there is a you, you are in an experiencial perspective that creates and illusion of an self existence that is differentiated from the undifferentiated whole. Hybrid....what are you, down really deep...what is your most essential nature? What is observing whatever it is that is being observed? See if you can look inside and find it. Are you only a mechanical apperatus made of biochemistry? What are you, what is at the source of everything that you experience? Where is that single reference point where everything that you experience meets, and what is it really like? And remember, your thoughts are something that you can experience, something you can observe passing by, what is there watching them go by? Where do thought emerge, and where do they dissapate to? Don't figure it out, look closely to see it like waiting to see a mouse coming from it hole. ah the illusion of separateness. okay. forget about the thoughts. be the seeing itself as it collapse into a singularity of voidness. don't hold on to anything. if you think you will die have faith , there is always the ressurection.
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Post by laughter on Jul 30, 2013 11:09:00 GMT -5
Hey hybrid, welcome to ST btw. TMT isn't necessarily about quantity of thought though that can be an indicator of a sort ... it's usually used to call out lines of reasoning about the unreasonable ... of using the thinking rational mind where it's not useful. For example, if I were to assert that there are limitations on the power of language to capture reality I might go on to say that: The ineffable, is ineffable. <TMT> Anything said about the ineffable is meaningless </TMT> The underlying topic of conversation here is our identity ... and it's quite possible to get to a point in a conversation really quickly where investigating a thought with more thought is just a merry-go-round. okay. so when someone said too much philosophying, what he meant is in context to his school of thoughts and beliefs it is not good. yes? so that when one embarks ro discover the true nature of his identity thnking it out is counterproductive. yes? Perhaps and perhaps. Can only really speak for myself in terms of the point of diminishing returns of mentation, and the seeking was never conscious. TMT is something you'll know when you see it. Unless you don't.
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Post by topology on Jul 30, 2013 13:38:12 GMT -5
okay. so when someone said too much philosophying, what he meant is in context to his school of thoughts and beliefs it is not good. yes? so that when one embarks ro discover the true nature of his identity thnking it out is counterproductive. yes? Perhaps and perhaps. Can only really speak for myself in terms of the point of diminishing returns of mentation, and the seeking was never conscious. TMT is something you'll know when you see it. Unless you don't.*checks Laughter's forehead* That one almost felt genuine, Laughter. I'm getting concerned that you might be NLPing yourself...
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Post by laughter on Jul 30, 2013 13:50:07 GMT -5
Perhaps and perhaps. Can only really speak for myself in terms of the point of diminishing returns of mentation, and the seeking was never conscious. TMT is something you'll know when you see it. Unless you don't.*checks Laughter's forehead* That one almost felt genuine, Laughter. I'm getting concerned that you might be NLPing yourself... Singed clothing is an occupational avocational hazard of meeting fire with fire.
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Post by hybrid on Jul 30, 2013 15:50:01 GMT -5
perhaps and perhaps. Can only really speak for myself in terms of the point of diminishing returns of mentation, and the seeking was never conscious. TMT is something you'll know when you see it. Unless you don't. what's TMT?
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Post by laughter on Jul 30, 2013 15:53:29 GMT -5
perhaps and perhaps. Can only really speak for myself in terms of the point of diminishing returns of mentation, and the seeking was never conscious. TMT is something you'll know when you see it. Unless you don't. what's TMT? Too Much Thought.
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Post by hybrid on Jul 30, 2013 16:26:22 GMT -5
okay tnx. it seems that you have considered tmt as an obstacle to something. tmt that leads to ciircular reasoning is of course undesirable as well as if you are seeking peace of mind. so i agree with you but not absolutely. but otoh, a WTO philosophy is entertaining to say the least.
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Post by laughter on Jul 30, 2013 16:38:30 GMT -5
okay tnx. it seems that you have considered tmt as an obstacle to something. tmt that leads to ciircular reasoning is of course undesirable as well as if you are seeking peace of mind. so i agree with you but not absolutely. but otoh, a WTO philosophy is entertaining to say the least. Obstacle? ... how did you derive that? WTO?
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