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Post by hybrid on Jul 28, 2013 17:03:31 GMT -5
are you saying there are two things in the universe? one , a background passive awareness and two all the contents that is happening in it? that this back ground awareness is totally separated with its contents? im afraid its a little bit complicated than that. the feeling or experience that its all happening to me is just one aspect of subjective experience. the interpretation that this is an absolute meraphysical reality is just an interpretation derived from that experience Awareness or the perceiver and the perceived are not two things... No separation is ever experienced... It is the attention on reason that says there is a me and there is something called the world which is not me... But there aren't two things there, perceiver and perceived are of the same substance... if the perceiver is also the perceived then we can help it and we are not purely observer of whats happenning. my guess is that pure awareness is made of teflon. nothing sticks
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Post by hybrid on Jul 28, 2013 17:17:31 GMT -5
I thought this was an English speaking forum? When the attention is on reason there's no end to the silly thoughts... what is an attetion and how is it differ from concentrAtion or refelction or contemplation?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:18:14 GMT -5
Awareness or the perceiver and the perceived are not two things... No separation is ever experienced... It is the attention on reason that says there is a me and there is something called the world which is not me... But there aren't two things there, perceiver and perceived are of the same substance... if the perceiver is also the perceived then we can help it and we are not purely observer of whats happenning. my guess is that pure awareness is made of teflon. nothing sticks The perceiver IS, the perceived IS a becoming... Saying that they are of the same substance is just a way of differentiating even though there aren't 2 things there... Not made of teflon but indeed untouchable...the capacity for the entire universe...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:23:56 GMT -5
When the attention is on reason there's no end to the silly thoughts... what is an attetion and how is it differ from concentrAtion or refelction or contemplation? Attention is the focus of awareness and it's habitual spot is on reason...which is a separate person in an objective world...
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Post by hybrid on Jul 28, 2013 17:26:24 GMT -5
my best guess is its a nondual language. i think i can translate that to english Thanks, that would be great. the phrase doing all the talking refers to the sense of doership. its also a sense of ownership. ie the "I" or me. the reasoning is the thinking process . attention is the identifying agent or catalyst of the while mental shebang. the starting assumption is that there is no separate entity callled I. i is a thought . a part of the whole thinking process. when the attention is in this particular I-thought, wella the doer is born
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:37:56 GMT -5
Thanks, that would be great. the phrase doing all the talking refers to the sense of doership. its also a sense of ownership. ie the "I" or me. the reasoning is the thinking process . attention is the identifying agent or catalyst of the while mental shebang. the starting assumption is that there is no separate entity callled I. i is a thought . a part of the whole thinking process. when the attention is in this particular I-thought, wella the doer is born It might be too simple of an English translation for our silent friend... His reasoning though will resonate with 'mental shebang'...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:42:09 GMT -5
Thanks, that would be great. the phrase doing all the talking refers to the sense of doership. its also a sense of ownership. ie the "I" or me. the reasoning is the thinking process . attention is the identifying agent or catalyst of the while mental shebang. the starting assumption is that there is no separate entity callled I. i is a thought . a part of the whole thinking process. when the attention is in this particular I-thought, wella the doer is born Too much philosophy, too much mentation, too much knowing, not enough gnosis ;-) Even before thought there is an experience of "I", though thought names it. "I" before thought is very subtle, often missed, but in its absence in Samadhi, "I" is more palpable. Instead of mentating and philosophizing about the nature of "I", sit quietly, with a still mind and alertness, and look at your "I" as it relates to thought and phenomenal experience. Let ALL knowing go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:46:55 GMT -5
the phrase doing all the talking refers to the sense of doership. its also a sense of ownership. ie the "I" or me. the reasoning is the thinking process . attention is the identifying agent or catalyst of the while mental shebang. the starting assumption is that there is no separate entity callled I. i is a thought . a part of the whole thinking process. when the attention is in this particular I-thought, wella the doer is born Too much philosophy, too much mentation, too much knowing, not enough gnosis ;-) English Translation: Not enough philosophy, not enough mentation, not enough knowing and too much gnosis...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:48:40 GMT -5
Too much philosophy, too much mentation, too much knowing, not enough gnosis ;-) English Translation: Not enough philosophy, not enough mentation, not enough knowing and too much gnosis... I have no idea what that means.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:53:52 GMT -5
English Translation: Not enough philosophy, not enough mentation, not enough knowing and too much gnosis... I have no idea what that means. It means your forest sadhana meditation didn't come back to the city with you...
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Post by hybrid on Jul 28, 2013 17:58:13 GMT -5
the phrase doing all the talking refers to the sense of doership. its also a sense of ownership. ie the "I" or me. the reasoning is the thinking process . attention is the identifying agent or catalyst of the while mental shebang. the starting assumption is that there is no separate entity callled I. i is a thought . a part of the whole thinking process. when the attention is in this particular I-thought, wella the doer is born Too much philosophy, too much mentation, too much knowing, not enough gnosis ;-) Even before thought there is an experience of "I", though thought names it. "I" before thought is very subtle, often missed, but in its absence in Samadhi, "I" is more palpable. Instead of mentating and philosophizing about the nature of "I", sit quietly, with a still mind and alertness, and look at your "I" as it relates to thought and phenomenal experience. Let ALL knowing go. for the sake of a more precise mapping of the human psyche, i will
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 18:18:29 GMT -5
I have no idea what that means. It means your forest sadhana meditation didn't come back to the city with you... How do you know? and Why are you "knowing" it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 18:36:33 GMT -5
It means your forest sadhana meditation didn't come back to the city with you... How do you know? I'm a perceiver, and I don't know anything... I'm not a doer either, so I'm not doing anything... I'm aware though that knowing seems to be happening...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 18:39:48 GMT -5
I'm a perceiver, and I don't know anything... I'm not a doer, so I'm not doing anything either... :-) Thats still knowing too much!
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Post by silence on Jul 28, 2013 19:00:43 GMT -5
the phrase doing all the talking refers to the sense of doership. its also a sense of ownership. ie the "I" or me. the reasoning is the thinking process . attention is the identifying agent or catalyst of the while mental shebang. the starting assumption is that there is no separate entity callled I. i is a thought . a part of the whole thinking process. when the attention is in this particular I-thought, wella the doer is born It might be too simple of an English translation for our silent friend... His reasoning though will resonate with 'mental shebang'...
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