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Jul 28, 2013 10:54:08 GMT -5
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Post by topology on Jul 28, 2013 10:54:08 GMT -5
Or thinking "I'd tap that!" um, ms. divine wertz .. that's a dude (not that there's anything wrong with that) You can leave what you had up, I'm not offended by it. It's funnier to me with my face pasted over "hers".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:48:44 GMT -5
How can reading this post, or thoughts about a past or future, occur at any time, or any place, other than, right here and right now? what are those remnants we call "the past"? just read an interesting article about memories ... goo.gl/vCk8kD'Just like in mice, our memories are stored in collections of cells, and when events are recalled we reconstruct parts of these cells - almost like re-assembling small pieces of a puzzle. It has been well documented that human memory is highly unreliable .. Humans are highly imaginative animals. Just like our mice, an aversive or appetitive event could be associated with a past experience one may happen to have in mind at that moment, hence a false memory is formed. The question is, how does the brain change with experience? That's the heart of everything the brain does. '
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 18:27:17 GMT -5
How can reading this post, or thoughts about a past or future, occur at any time, or any place, other than, right here and right now? what are those remnants we call "the past"? just read an interesting article about memories ... goo.gl/vCk8kD'Just like in mice, our memories are stored in collections of cells, and when events are recalled we reconstruct parts of these cells - almost like re-assembling small pieces of a puzzle. It has been well documented that human memory is highly unreliable .. Humans are highly imaginative animals. Just like our mice, an aversive or appetitive event could be associated with a past experience one may happen to have in mind at that moment, hence a false memory is formed. The question is, how does the brain change with experience? That's the heart of everything the brain does. ' I don't know... The question itself seems like a further decent into the rabbit hole....nothing wrong with that, just not a "focussing" in that interests me. Does it interest you, and if so, what would be gained from a firm understanding of the subject matter?
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Jul 28, 2013 20:51:03 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Jul 28, 2013 20:51:03 GMT -5
Or thinking "I'd tap that!" um, ms. divine wertz .. that's a dude (not that there's anything wrong with that) ==== post script edit: I see my attempts at humor often fall short (not referring to the photoshop). A good rule of thumb ... 92% of everything I write here has a laughing person typing them. emoticons don't help apparently. I hereby formally denounce non-duality just so that I might be able to proclaim that this is 7 kinds of wrong all at once.
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Jul 28, 2013 21:24:21 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 21:24:21 GMT -5
um, ms. divine wertz .. that's a dude (not that there's anything wrong with that) ==== post script edit: I see my attempts at humor often fall short (not referring to the photoshop). A good rule of thumb ... 92% of everything I write here has a laughing person typing them. emoticons don't help apparently. I hereby formally denounce non-duality just so that I might be able to proclaim that this is 7 kinds of wrong all at once. Life is ART! Thats why Shawn went into Film Making. Lets Get intooit
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Jul 29, 2013 3:55:27 GMT -5
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 29, 2013 3:55:27 GMT -5
Do not make an effort to be effortless, do not cling to it. Do not make a mind game out of no self, no I. These things happen spontaneously if you are alert and inwardly settled.Don't try to create what is already so, let what is there unfold in alertness.and.... let go of knowing each time it arises with each thoughtevery thought is a kind of knowing So you are basically saying ATA...... Why re-invent the wheel here?
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Jul 29, 2013 6:20:30 GMT -5
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Post by topology on Jul 29, 2013 6:20:30 GMT -5
um, ms. divine wertz .. that's a dude (not that there's anything wrong with that) ==== post script edit: I see my attempts at humor often fall short (not referring to the photoshop). A good rule of thumb ... 92% of everything I write here has a laughing person typing them. emoticons don't help apparently. I hereby formally denounce non-duality just so that I might be able to proclaim that this is 7 kinds of wrong all at once. You missed it. He had a black and white version of the picture with me face pasted over it. My "I'd tap that" tongue in cheek comment ain't funny to me no more now that he has switched pictures. *shakes fist* Curse you farmer!
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Jul 29, 2013 7:00:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 7:00:46 GMT -5
You missed it. He had a black and white version of the picture with me face pasted over it. My "I'd tap that" tongue in cheek comment ain't funny to me no more now that he has switched pictures. *shakes fist* Curse you farmer! nothing was switched, oh non-observant one, just the original was added your sexy, black n white mug is still as it was ;-)
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Jul 29, 2013 7:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by topology on Jul 29, 2013 7:16:28 GMT -5
You missed it. He had a black and white version of the picture with me face pasted over it. My "I'd tap that" tongue in cheek comment ain't funny to me no more now that he has switched pictures. *shakes fist* Curse you farmer! nothing was switched, oh non-observant one, just the original was added your sexy, black n white mug is still as it was ;-) The old iPhone I'm using isn't showing it then. Ah well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 7:41:33 GMT -5
what are those remnants we call "the past"? just read an interesting article about memories ... goo.gl/vCk8kD'Just like in mice, our memories are stored in collections of cells, and when events are recalled we reconstruct parts of these cells - almost like re-assembling small pieces of a puzzle. It has been well documented that human memory is highly unreliable .. Humans are highly imaginative animals. Just like our mice, an aversive or appetitive event could be associated with a past experience one may happen to have in mind at that moment, hence a false memory is formed. The question is, how does the brain change with experience? That's the heart of everything the brain does. ' I don't know... The question itself seems like a further decent into the rabbit hole....nothing wrong with that, just not a "focussing" in that interests me. Does it interest you, and if so, what would be gained from a firm understanding of the subject matter? Yes, a great many things interest me, 'time' and the functionality of the brain, being a small part of those inquiries. Not exactly 'rabbit hole' material if you ask me, but I see you are clinging tightly to some curious 'not-knowing' philosophy, and it appears you don't want to know anything. When you leave your house, you know/remember how to get home, correct? You learned the English alphabet, and some corresponding words .. that 'knowing' is useful, is it not?
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Jul 29, 2013 9:12:03 GMT -5
Post by serpentqueen on Jul 29, 2013 9:12:03 GMT -5
I don't know... The question itself seems like a further decent into the rabbit hole....nothing wrong with that, just not a "focussing" in that interests me. Does it interest you, and if so, what would be gained from a firm understanding of the subject matter? Yes, a great many things interest me, 'time' and the functionality of the brain, being a small part of those inquiries. Not exactly 'rabbit hole' material if you ask me, but I see you are clinging tightly to some curious 'not-knowing' philosophy, and it appears you don't want to know anything. When you leave your house, you know/remember how to get home, correct? You learned the English alphabet, and some corresponding words .. that 'knowing' is useful, is it not? This stuff fascinates me too. Including the fact that one is never living in the true 'here and now' because our brains are constantly processing stimuli for us, editing it carefully, and playing it back to us. Then there are the studies that show that what happens now can rewrite the past.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 10:21:34 GMT -5
This stuff fascinates me too. Including the fact that one is never living in the true 'here and now' because our brains are constantly processing stimuli for us, editing it carefully, and playing it back to us. Then there are the studies that show that what happens now can rewrite the past. That link I posted above is talking about one of those studies. Yep, 'Here and Now' is the timeless arena, whereas everything we associate with 'our lives' is just chemical reactions located somewhere inside the grey matter. I don't imagine "the past" even exists, except there is evidence right now that something must have happened 'back then', ie. poop confirms last night's dinner. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 10:29:46 GMT -5
This stuff fascinates me too. Including the fact that one is never living in the true 'here and now' because our brains are constantly processing stimuli for us, editing it carefully, and playing it back to us. Then there are the studies that show that what happens now can rewrite the past. That link I posted above is talking about one of those studies. Yep, 'Here and Now' is the timeless arena, whereas everything we associate with 'our lives' is just chemical reactions located somewhere inside the grey matter. I don't imagine "the past" even exists, except there is evidence right now that something must have happened 'back then', ie. poop confirms last night's dinner. ;-) Reads like you're saying memory isn't a function of consciousness. If it IS a function of consciousness, then it is not restricted to the cells of the body.
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Post by zendancer on Jul 29, 2013 10:39:57 GMT -5
I don't know... The question itself seems like a further decent into the rabbit hole....nothing wrong with that, just not a "focussing" in that interests me. Does it interest you, and if so, what would be gained from a firm understanding of the subject matter? Yes, a great many things interest me, 'time' and the functionality of the brain, being a small part of those inquiries. Not exactly 'rabbit hole' material if you ask me, but I see you are clinging tightly to some curious 'not-knowing' philosophy, and it appears you don't want to know anything. When you leave your house, you know/remember how to get home, correct? You learned the English alphabet, and some corresponding words .. that 'knowing' is useful, is it not? Farmer: What Steve is referring to is not "a philosophy of not-knowing." It is the ABSENCE of philosophizing. He's referring to direct body-knowing (gnossis) rather than intellectual (abstract linear discursive verbal reflective) knowing (episteme). He is advising people to suspend intellectual knowing in favor of direct perception. To live in a state of not-knowing, intellectually/psychologically, does not imply that the world is not known; it is simply not known through the mind. It is allowing the vast intelligence of the body to govern action rather than the less-powerful intelligence of the mind.
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 29, 2013 10:46:07 GMT -5
This stuff fascinates me too. Including the fact that one is never living in the true 'here and now' because our brains are constantly processing stimuli for us, editing it carefully, and playing it back to us. Then there are the studies that show that what happens now can rewrite the past. That link I posted above is talking about one of those studies. Yep, 'Here and Now' is the timeless arena, whereas everything we associate with 'our lives' is just chemical reactions located somewhere inside the grey matter. I don't imagine "the past" even exists, except there is evidence right now that something must have happened 'back then', ie. poop confirms last night's dinner. ;-)Heh, I don't even take that for granted. Maybe we are plugged into a virtual, simulated reality. Maybe the reality is that we are on a spaceship in deep sleep, wiling away the long trip to nowhere with a virtual reality game. Or maybe we are just brains in a vat. Maybe poop happens and the brain makes up a story that happened in time, "it must've been something I ate last night" but the reality is more like the movie the Matrix, and aliens are harvesting our poop for fertilizer. Or maybe poop doesn't even happen -- maybe the virtual simulation is stimulating parts of our brain-in-a-vat to give us the sensation of bowels cramping and releasing. Or let's go even further, maybe we're not even a brain in a vat, we're just a program (an abstraction) in an ancestor simulation that continues to run. Yes it's "all imagination" but pondering such stuff is what got me to where I am -- a stripping away of everything I believed in and took for granted was "real." Learning that we are always perceiving this reality in the past, not the here and now, combined with quantum mechanics, got me pondering if during a planck-length blink of an eye, the world is constantly manifesting itself afresh every time I look. Like Schroedinger's Cat, if I ask "is the cat alive" the cat materializes alive with complete backstory that it is starving and mad at being stuck in the box. If I ask "is the cat dead" a dead cat materializes with complete backstory about how it died in the box. If I ask no question at all... if I ask neither "is the cat dead" or "is the cat alive" or heck..... what if I don't even ask about a cat... what might happen then? Maybe I'd open the box to find an elephant. And that's when it gets really fun! When we say to "look like children do," it is in this way - with no preconceived notions whatsoever. Asking "is the cat alive" or "is the cat dead" is asking with a preconceived notion in mind. If we instead ask no question at all, if we can hold no expectation in our mind, reality begins to reveal itself. Time and space start doing funky things. Elephants may appear in the box. And, it becomes apparent there is no perceiver and perceived, no observer and observed; there is only relationship between the two -- and "logic" becomes the means by which what is revealed is chosen from an infinite of possibilities. For example, my body appears with regularity every morning when I wake up, simply because body is most relative and logical to my perspective. And likewise it's logic that stitches together a story that last night's dinner led to this morning's poop -- last night's dinner is simply more logical to your current perspective than aliens harvesting your poop for fertilizer.
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