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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 16, 2013 4:12:12 GMT -5
a friendly 69 year old man Dámn that's old! Maybe you're right and I should leave gramps alone.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 16, 2013 5:08:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. If there's no "I"/me, there's no koan.. knowledge can be fun, clarity IS profound.. Be well.. I'm experiencing the thought that If tzu's clarity IS so profound, why doesn't he 'experience' ' Not Two' (Oneness)?... And the experience of that thought is ' Not Two' things being experienced. Clarity becomes profound when the stories about 'oneness' and "Not Two" reveal their illusory nature.. you're still attached to the story, so living the clarity is unfamiliar to you.. don't worry about Tzu, according to your story he is 'you', Not Two.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 5:35:44 GMT -5
I like this nonsence... without a website like this discussing the Life we are alerted to at birth (with aliens) seems important. Who is it that comes HERE?
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 16, 2013 8:25:36 GMT -5
Hey thanks ZD, I look forward to the thread :-) Samadhi is one of those "states" that cannot be "reached" if there is ANY type of effort or attachment occurring, so placing any special significance to it seems counterproductive, especial in light of that Samadhi seems to be the natural always occurring "state" of the Universe. One thing on "flow" versus relative Samadhi though. When I was younger I was a bit of an athlete, and did a lot of combat sports, boxing, muy Thai, Tae Kwon Do etc....and now', in my "adblvanced" years lol, I go to the race track and race a Corvette on a road course a couple times a month....when you are "in" a fight, or "in" a series of S Curves at 100 + miles an hour with the car dancing at the limits of tire grip, there is this Flow state that is exactly as you describe, but it has a different quality than my experience of relative Samadhi. In Flow, there seems to be awareness of self but absent of thoughts occurring, and "Doing" is not "being done", in relative Samadhi, phenomena are still occurring, but there is no Beingness, or I Amness there, even when the phenomena of Mind movement searches for it. Dunno, it's all just words really, not that important I guess. Yes, all forms of samadhi, flow, in the zone, etc. come about through intense concentration. I played a game of tennis once in which I focused so strongly on the ball that time, space, and "I" disappeared. The body seemed to know where the ball was going to be hit before my opponent even hit it. Only afterwards did I realize that something extraordinary had happened. In the movie "The Hustler" Paul Newman tries to explain to his girlfriend what it is like to be "on" in a game of pool. Same same. This is what Zen Masters call "mushin"--a kind of body connectedness with the cosmos that does not involve thought. I, too, used to road race Porsches and Corvettes, but even at 100 miles an hour in a 4-wheel drift total absorption may or may not be present. If total absorption occurs, the mind disappears and the body connects to the cosmos in a way that allows the impossible to become possible. It is beyond the scope of the scientific paradigm. I experience this flow state quite often, except it doesn't require intense concentration or even total absorption. It's more of an unfocusing than a focusing, a relaxation, a trust that everything that needs to get done will get done, effortlessly and in the right way, and not necessarily by me. An example: I threw a big party, with very little planning. As hostess I didn't do much to put together this party. It just happened. My mom was visiting, and she is the neurotic over-functioning martyr type of hostess; she kept fretting and saying "it'll never get all done. We don't have enough beer, wine and food" And I was in this state and just said "it'll all get done. just watch." Then someone brought the beer. Someone brought the wine. We had a small cake, but when the party grew in size too big for the cake, suddenly a guest arrived, like magic, carrying a larger cake. A friend had very particular dietary needs; another friend with same needs arrived bringing her own food and enough to share. When we ran out of chairs, someone arrived moments later with more. When rain drops started falling, the doorbell rang and a guest arrived with a tent. We didn't even have to clean afterwards, as friends stayed and without anyone having to ask for help, tackled that too. My daily experience has been like that for many years now, and I don't have any formal practice of meditation. When I say there's no doer, I mean that literally. Ha! Things are always magically getting done when they need to get done-- but not by me. If there's any want or need, it's magically addressed, without having to obsess or fret or worry. I've noted that the mind can certainly be in full gear, obsessing and worrying all it wants, and things still get done --it doesn't interfere or stop the magic (contrary to what LOA types may suggest). All it means is that I suffer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 12:06:14 GMT -5
Greetings.. I'm experiencing the thought that If tzu's clarity IS so profound, why doesn't he 'experience' ' Not Two' (Oneness)?... And the experience of that thought is ' Not Two' things being experienced. Clarity becomes profound when the stories about 'oneness' and "Not Two" reveal their illusory nature.. you're still attached to the story, so living the clarity is unfamiliar to you.. don't worry about Tzu, according to your story he is 'you', Not Two.. Be well.. It's not about 'living the clarity' which is a story tzu is attached too, it's about perception... I am a perceiver, tzu's words on a computer screen is what is perceived, or a perception. I don't 'know' anything about a world 'outside' of perception. And neither do you...
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