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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:07:48 GMT -5
I've been spending a lot of time in Samadhi lately. The best I can describe the "experience", is that my Beingness, or ISness drops away, as does the sense of any kind of "doing" or practice, and all there is are phenomena with no awareness of an "experiencer".
Recently I did a bit of study on the ideology of the lineage that produced the Dh?rana that I made such use of over the years, and in their ideology they described Samadhi as a kind of God Union....I don't have any opinions about that, but some interesting little questions arise as a kind of entertainment.
In Samadhi the awareness of "doing" disappears, as does the experiencer, but experience remains, meaning phenomena like a visual field still occurs etc.. But I was thinking that this is not so different than when someone is absorbed in Mind movement in that, one's awareness of their own essential Beingness, or Awareness, which is the most essential aspect of self, is not there, only the Mind Movement is there with no awareness of participating in Mind Movement. A person that is absorbed in and abiding in Mind movement is not Aware of their own essential Awareness, nor are they aware they they are engaged in Mind movement, because they are so totally absorbed in the Mind movement or experience.
So in Samadhi, both "Doing" and Experiencer, or sense of self disappear, and in a Mind movement centered person that is completely absorbed in their own mentation and experience, awareness of thinking or "doing" disappears, as does awareness of one's most essential nature.
Is a person that is completely absorbed in Mind movement nothing more than the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi?
Said another way, is God in Samadhi, and we are the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi?
And if this is so, when we are undone into Samadhi, does that mean that we are either in a kind of God Union, or at least "aligned" with the nature of God?
Interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:14:44 GMT -5
I've been spending a lot of time in Samadhi lately. The best I can describe the "experience", is that my Beingness, or ISness drops away, as does the sense of any kind of "doing" or practice, and all there is are phenomena with no awareness of an "experiencer". Recently I did a bit of study on the ideology of the lineage that produced the Dh?rana that I made such use of over the years, and in their ideology they described Samadhi as a kind of God Union....I don't have any opinions about that, but some interesting little questions arise as a kind of entertainment. In Samadhi the awareness of "doing" disappears, as does the experiencer, but experience remains, meaning phenomena like a visual field still occurs etc.. But I was thinking that this is not so different than when someone is absorbed in Mind movement in that, one's awareness of their own essential Beingness, or Awareness, which is the most essential aspect of self, is not there, only the Mind Movement is there with no awareness of participating in Mind Movement. A person that is absorbed in and abiding in Mind movement is not Aware of their own essential Awareness, nor are they aware they they are engaged in Mind movement, because they are so totally absorbed in the Mind movement or experience. So in Samadhi, both "Doing" and Experiencer, or sense of self disappear, and in a Mind movement centered person that is completely absorbed in their own mentation and experience, awareness of thinking or "doing" disappears, as does awareness of one's most essential nature. Is a person that is completely absorbed in Mind movement nothing more than the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi? Said another way, is God in Samadhi, and we are the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi? And if this is so, when we are undone into Samadhi, does that mean that we are either in a kind of God Union, or at least "aligned" with the nature of God? Interesting... TMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:21:25 GMT -5
I've been spending a lot of time in Samadhi lately. The best I can describe the "experience", is that my Beingness, or ISness drops away, as does the sense of any kind of "doing" or practice, and all there is are phenomena with no awareness of an "experiencer". Recently I did a bit of study on the ideology of the lineage that produced the Dh?rana that I made such use of over the years, and in their ideology they described Samadhi as a kind of God Union....I don't have any opinions about that, but some interesting little questions arise as a kind of entertainment. In Samadhi the awareness of "doing" disappears, as does the experiencer, but experience remains, meaning phenomena like a visual field still occurs etc.. But I was thinking that this is not so different than when someone is absorbed in Mind movement in that, one's awareness of their own essential Beingness, or Awareness, which is the most essential aspect of self, is not there, only the Mind Movement is there with no awareness of participating in Mind Movement. A person that is absorbed in and abiding in Mind movement is not Aware of their own essential Awareness, nor are they aware they they are engaged in Mind movement, because they are so totally absorbed in the Mind movement or experience. So in Samadhi, both "Doing" and Experiencer, or sense of self disappear, and in a Mind movement centered person that is completely absorbed in their own mentation and experience, awareness of thinking or "doing" disappears, as does awareness of one's most essential nature. Is a person that is completely absorbed in Mind movement nothing more than the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi? Said another way, is God in Samadhi, and we are the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi? And if this is so, when we are undone into Samadhi, does that mean that we are either in a kind of God Union, or at least "aligned" with the nature of God? Interesting... TMT Haha, Fo Shizzle Ma Nizzle ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:28:04 GMT -5
I've been spending a lot of time in Samadhi lately. The best I can describe the "experience", is that my Beingness, or ISness drops away, as does the sense of any kind of "doing" or practice, and all there is are phenomena with no awareness of an "experiencer". Recently I did a bit of study on the ideology of the lineage that produced the Dh?rana that I made such use of over the years, and in their ideology they described Samadhi as a kind of God Union....I don't have any opinions about that, but some interesting little questions arise as a kind of entertainment. In Samadhi the awareness of "doing" disappears, as does the experiencer, but experience remains, meaning phenomena like a visual field still occurs etc.. But I was thinking that this is not so different than when someone is absorbed in Mind movement in that, one's awareness of their own essential Beingness, or Awareness, which is the most essential aspect of self, is not there, only the Mind Movement is there with no awareness of participating in Mind Movement. A person that is absorbed in and abiding in Mind movement is not Aware of their own essential Awareness, nor are they aware they they are engaged in Mind movement, because they are so totally absorbed in the Mind movement or experience. So in Samadhi, both "Doing" and Experiencer, or sense of self disappear, and in a Mind movement centered person that is completely absorbed in their own mentation and experience, awareness of thinking or "doing" disappears, as does awareness of one's most essential nature. Is a person that is completely absorbed in Mind movement nothing more than the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi? Said another way, is God in Samadhi, and we are the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi? And if this is so, when we are undone into Samadhi, does that mean that we are either in a kind of God Union, or at least "aligned" with the nature of God? Interesting... TMT My take away; which is still TMT, is that Samadhi is Always there, even when one is absorbed in Mind movement. This is very analogous with Amit's big realization. Which seems to be that Oneness is there whether one is experiencing it or not. Samadhi is there whether one is "in" Samadhi or not.
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Post by silence on Jul 14, 2013 21:28:23 GMT -5
“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that.” -GC
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:29:05 GMT -5
I'm interested in hearing your take on this Zendancer :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:32:05 GMT -5
“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that.” -GC Haha, it's probably closer to say that I was asking "what", not "Why"...."Why" seems like a pointless question ;-) In any case, it's just a kind of entertainment. Its brings a little smile and a chuckle over here. All work and no play do not a merry life make ;-)
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 14, 2013 21:39:50 GMT -5
Greetings.. TMT My take away; which is still TMT, is that Samadhi is Always there, even when one is absorbed in Mind movement. This is very analogous with Amit's big realization. Which seems to be that Oneness is there whether one seems and finds it or not. Samadhi is there whether one is "in" Samadhi or not. Which is like saying, 'There's nothing that convince you you're not right'.. or, like saying, 'nothing matters except what you believe matters'.. Similarly, i can say, 'your theories are not accurate, oneness is an imagined belief, you just don't know it'.. The statements are equally valid.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:42:37 GMT -5
Another "realization" that just occurred, is that the "I", as in the essential Beingness, or I AM of ourself, is nothing more than an experience occurring in Samadhi....the whole MindBody Field, that includes our experience of our most essential nature, is an experience occurring with no experiencer that can be awared of.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:45:54 GMT -5
Greetings.. My take away; which is still TMT, is that Samadhi is Always there, even when one is absorbed in Mind movement. This is very analogous with Amit's big realization. Which seems to be that Oneness is there whether one seems and finds it or not. Samadhi is there whether one is "in" Samadhi or not. Which is like saying, 'There's nothing that convince you you're not right'.. or, like saying, 'nothing matters except what you believe matters'.. Similarly, i can say, 'your theories are not accurate, oneness is an imagined belief, you just don't know it'.. The statements are equally valid.. Be well.. Hi Tzu, I agree with you in that ALL experience seems to be akin to belief, but my question to you is, do you see some things as a belief, and others as not "just" a belief....if so, can you give some examples of each?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:51:36 GMT -5
Greetings.. My take away; which is still TMT, is that Samadhi is Always there, even when one is absorbed in Mind movement. This is very analogous with Amit's big realization. Which seems to be that Oneness is there whether one seems and finds it or not. Samadhi is there whether one is "in" Samadhi or not. Which is like saying, 'There's nothing that convince you you're not right'.. or, like saying, 'nothing matters except what you believe matters'.. Similarly, i can say, 'your theories are not accurate, oneness is an imagined belief, you just don't know it'.. The statements are equally valid.. Be well.. As an aside, your Knowledge appears to be PROFOUND (That's a Koan for you by the way )
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 14, 2013 21:52:35 GMT -5
“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that.” -GC What work needs to be done? What if one's work is asking "why" or "why not"?
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Post by silence on Jul 14, 2013 22:11:12 GMT -5
“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that.” -GC What work needs to be done? What if one's work is asking "why" or "why not"? Hey, far be it for me to tell anyone not to be a philosophy professor. I'm just having a little fun.
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 14, 2013 22:23:21 GMT -5
What work needs to be done? What if one's work is asking "why" or "why not"? Hey, far be it for me to tell anyone not to be a philosophy professor. I'm just having a little fun. Me too. Was that GC as in George Carlin?
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Post by andrew on Jul 15, 2013 3:07:53 GMT -5
I've been spending a lot of time in Samadhi lately. The best I can describe the "experience", is that my Beingness, or ISness drops away, as does the sense of any kind of "doing" or practice, and all there is are phenomena with no awareness of an "experiencer". Recently I did a bit of study on the ideology of the lineage that produced the Dh?rana that I made such use of over the years, and in their ideology they described Samadhi as a kind of God Union....I don't have any opinions about that, but some interesting little questions arise as a kind of entertainment. In Samadhi the awareness of "doing" disappears, as does the experiencer, but experience remains, meaning phenomena like a visual field still occurs etc.. But I was thinking that this is not so different than when someone is absorbed in Mind movement in that, one's awareness of their own essential Beingness, or Awareness, which is the most essential aspect of self, is not there, only the Mind Movement is there with no awareness of participating in Mind Movement. A person that is absorbed in and abiding in Mind movement is not Aware of their own essential Awareness, nor are they aware they they are engaged in Mind movement, because they are so totally absorbed in the Mind movement or experience. So in Samadhi, both "Doing" and Experiencer, or sense of self disappear, and in a Mind movement centered person that is completely absorbed in their own mentation and experience, awareness of thinking or "doing" disappears, as does awareness of one's most essential nature. Is a person that is completely absorbed in Mind movement nothing more than the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi?
Said another way, is God in Samadhi, and we are the experience that occurs in God's Samadhi?
And if this is so, when we are undone into Samadhi, does that mean that we are either in a kind of God Union, or at least "aligned" with the nature of God?Interesting... I don't know about the italicized bit, but before that resonated with me. Its almost like.....lost, found, lost. Could even be the other way...found, lost, found.
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