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Post by enigma on Jul 6, 2013 17:38:45 GMT -5
Well, it wasn't really about you specifically. I was talking about a pattern in which mind makes the 'truth' irrelevant so that it can dismiss it. The idea that mind, which does nothing but process knowledge, can unknow what it processes through some apparent letting go process, is absurd. Right. Niz and "what the mind has done the mind must undo" is absurd. Mind is involved in the undoing, but not by choosing to unknow stuff. I thought I made that clear.
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Post by enigma on Jul 6, 2013 17:45:02 GMT -5
Well, it wasn't really about you specifically. I was talking about a pattern in which mind makes the 'truth' irrelevant so that it can dismiss it. The idea that mind, which does nothing but process knowledge, can unknow what it processes through some apparent letting go process, is absurd. I don't know if you are talking about me there at all given that you were earlier, but let me be clear, I don't make truth irrelevant, and I am quite okay with telling you when you are telling lies. However, there is no depth of need here to place a firm or fixed boundary between truth/falsity and any other dualities. Duality has been 'seen through'. A flexible boundary between true and false is a way of making truth irrelevant......unless it isn't.
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Post by andrew on Jul 6, 2013 17:50:08 GMT -5
I don't know if you are talking about me there at all given that you were earlier, but let me be clear, I don't make truth irrelevant, and I am quite okay with telling you when you are telling lies. However, there is no depth of need here to place a firm or fixed boundary between truth/falsity and any other dualities. Duality has been 'seen through'. A flexible boundary between true and false is a way of making truth irrelevant......unless it isn't. No. What it means is that dualities are no longer the most important thing in our lives. It doesn't make them irrelevant. What this means is that knowing something to be true or false, real or illusion, actual or imaginary, is no longer the most important thing in our lives. It means that protecting the boundary between self and other is no longer the most important thing in our lives. It means that knowledge is no longer the most important thing in our lives.
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Post by relinquish on Jul 6, 2013 18:09:56 GMT -5
Hahahaha. There is no True or False! There is only 'this'. Even that is saying too much! Sure. Continue to discuss, but do try not to engage in un-solvable arguments. Or do. Whatever!
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Post by andrew on Jul 6, 2013 18:18:21 GMT -5
Hahahaha. There is no True or False! There is only 'this'. Even that is saying too much! Sure. Continue to discuss, but do try not to engage in un-solvable arguments. Or do. Whatever! You do experience truth and falsity as part of your experience though don't you? I'm not trying to be tricky there...I'm saying/asking.... regardless of whether its real or illusion, actual or apparent, whether its an appearance or whether its something with more substance than that, truth and falsity is still experienced, right?
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 6, 2013 18:29:32 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hahahaha. There is no True or False! There is only 'this'. Even that is saying too much! Sure. Continue to discuss, but do try not to engage in un-solvable arguments. Or do. Whatever! You do experience truth and falsity as part of your experience though don't you? I'm not trying to be tricky there...I'm saying/asking.... regardless of whether its real or illusion, actual or apparent, whether its an appearance or whether its something with more substance than that, truth and falsity is still experienced, right? Of course he does, he compares his perceived truth against the falsity he perceives in others.... he's judging and trying to coerce a preferred result from what he perceives as discussions not worthy of his 'knowing'.. the 'hammer that cannot hit itself' syndrome.. Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 6, 2013 18:32:36 GMT -5
Greetings.. Right. Niz and "what the mind has done the mind must undo" is absurd. Mind is involved in the undoing, but not by choosing to unknow stuff. I thought I made that clear. You did, you've explained that you 'imagined' it.. and i sense that you're spot-on, though your imagination only applies to 'your' belief, not anyone else's.. Be well..
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Post by relinquish on Jul 6, 2013 19:28:44 GMT -5
Greetings.. You do experience truth and falsity as part of your experience though don't you? I'm not trying to be tricky there...I'm saying/asking.... regardless of whether its real or illusion, actual or apparent, whether its an appearance or whether its something with more substance than that, truth and falsity is still experienced, right? Of course he does, he compares his perceived truth against the falsity he perceives in others.... he's judging and trying to coerce a preferred result from what he perceives as discussions not worthy of his 'knowing'.. the 'hammer that cannot hit itself' syndrome.. Be well.. As I said, the argument is un-solvable. It will continue until it doesn't. Unless it won't.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 6, 2013 19:31:27 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Of course he does, he compares his perceived truth against the falsity he perceives in others.... he's judging and trying to coerce a preferred result from what he perceives as discussions not worthy of his 'knowing'.. the 'hammer that cannot hit itself' syndrome.. Be well.. As I said, the argument is un-solvable. It will continue until it doesn't. Unless it won't. What 'argument' are you referring to? Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Jul 6, 2013 20:06:19 GMT -5
Hey Andy, this is the moderated area. FYI. You don't belong in the moderated section because your ontology does not allow space for having values. My ontology does. I am happy to take this to the unmoderated section if you like. Well, your ontology doesn't seem to allow you being comfy with that. Seems you got worked up a little lately. Or is this how 'embodying the Christ Consciousness Energies more fully' looks like? And don't expect me to baby-sit you thru your temper tantrums in the venting area. You wanted to delineate and divvy-up forum experience, now deal with it.
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Post by relinquish on Jul 6, 2013 20:07:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. As I said, the argument is un-solvable. It will continue until it doesn't. Unless it won't. What 'argument' are you referring to? Be well.. Any conceptual argument about the nature of 'this'.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 6, 2013 21:34:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. What 'argument' are you referring to? Be well.. Any conceptual argument about the nature of 'this'. That wasn't helpful.. what is "this"? Be well..
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Post by enigma on Jul 6, 2013 21:36:21 GMT -5
A flexible boundary between true and false is a way of making truth irrelevant......unless it isn't. No. What it means is that dualities are no longer the most important thing in our lives. It doesn't make them irrelevant. What this means is that knowing something to be true or false, real or illusion, actual or imaginary, is no longer the most important thing in our lives. It means that protecting the boundary between self and other is no longer the most important thing in our lives. It means that knowledge is no longer the most important thing in our lives. Being 'flexible' about truth is obviously not about level of importance. If it's not so important you would just lose interest in talking about it, and I don't see you losing interest.
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Post by enigma on Jul 6, 2013 21:37:26 GMT -5
Hahahaha. There is no True or False! There is only 'this'. Is that true or false?
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Post by silence on Jul 6, 2013 21:39:15 GMT -5
Greetings.. I don't know if you are talking about me there at all given that you were earlier, but let me be clear, I don't make truth irrelevant, and I am quite okay with telling you when you are telling lies. However, there is no depth of need here to place a firm or fixed boundary between truth/falsity and any other dualities. Duality has been 'seen through'. Who/what is it that sees through duality? Be well.. Isn't this the same line of questioning you were chiding earlier when presented to you from ZD?
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