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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 20:09:37 GMT -5
So one kids section and one adult section? ok, but which is which?? Or maybe we should call it: sleeping area / non-sleeping area
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 20:12:16 GMT -5
But think of all the fun we can have mocking the quiet side from the noisy side! ... and if they try to retaliate in kind they violate their own rules! it's genius I tells ya'! We can do both though can't we? i.e talk in civil terms in one section, then if we witness being mocked in the other section we can drop by that section to tell someone they are an azzhole. Hehe Or we can just tell Top to finally grow up and you don't have to travel between sections at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 20:13:44 GMT -5
ok, but which is which?? Or maybe we should call it: sleeping area / non-sleeping area Or searching for happiness in all the wrong places...
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 20:20:49 GMT -5
Hmm, interesting question. I don't currently have any "group access controls" and I'm not at all sure that even if Shawn could activate such functionality that it could be set up to work in a hassle free way ie access to A, B and C by default and then withdraw access to one particular forum..... Also that doesn't seem like much of an incentive to persuade anyone to keep it civil. So I think I'd like to keep the existing Warning, Temp Ban, Perm Ban process for the moderated sections. So if you're trying to play Nice in the Nice area, but then your nondual Turettes Syndrome takes over and you cross the line, you'll get warned, then banned (temp or otherwise). This means that a violator of the Nice rules in the Nice area, who gets banned, loses all rights to post at ST, including NY, whereas this would not happen in the New York thread. Interesting. Folks who sense that their own behavior is perhaps consistently mispercieved as mocking may want to consider not posting in the Nice area, lest they get banned for good. I suggest to make it as complicated as possible.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 20:43:32 GMT -5
In drawing that equation and implying that the moderation will factor out aggression you compliment my argument about the suppression of it. Would you expect the moderated section to be free of bluntness? If you see absolutely no value in what someone is saying, it's not possible to do that without the risk of generating content that might be turned into a negative emotion by the reader. Refraining from expressing your perception of the lack of value in that instance when the vector is there is one extreme example of inauthenticity but it isn't the only one. I would expect that section to be much more free from mockery and condescension, and much less 'making things personal' (which is ironic really given that its more those that talk of 'the impersonal' that seem to me to 'make it personal'). Spiritual forums.com gets the balance right IMO and there is plenty of authentic expression there.I don't see managing a movement of aggression that arises to be necessarily more inauthentic than allowing a free flow of aggression. I think one of the problems with the forum currently is that the free flow of aggression often goes unchecked and is justified as 'clarity' or 'impersonal' or some thing like that. Having said that, I am happy to go on the other section too. Then why aren't you posting on SF then?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 20:47:37 GMT -5
In drawing that equation and implying that the moderation will factor out aggression you compliment my argument about the suppression of it. Would you expect the moderated section to be free of bluntness? If you see absolutely no value in what someone is saying, it's not possible to do that without the risk of generating content that might be turned into a negative emotion by the reader. Refraining from expressing your perception of the lack of value in that instance when the vector is there is one extreme example of inauthenticity but it isn't the only one. I would expect that section to be much more free from mockery and condescension, and much less 'making things personal' (which is ironic really given that its more those that talk of 'the impersonal' that seem to me to 'make it personal'). Spiritual forums.com gets the balance right IMO and there is plenty of authentic expression there. I don't see managing a movement of aggression that arises to be necessarily more inauthentic than allowing a free flow of aggression. I think one of the problems with the forum currently is that the free flow of aggression often goes unchecked and is justified as 'clarity' or 'impersonal' or some thing like that. Having said that, I am happy to go on the other section too. Andrew do you call peeps azzholes, authentically, at SF? I'm wondering. That would make it a more interesting place for me to check out. I've looked over there before and it just didn't draw me in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 20:54:43 GMT -5
So if you're trying to play Nice in the Nice area, but then your nondual Turettes Syndrome takes over and you cross the line, you'll get warned, then banned (temp or otherwise). This means that a violator of the Nice rules in the Nice area, who gets banned, loses all rights to post at ST, including NY, whereas this would not happen in the New York thread. Interesting. Folks who sense that their own behavior is perhaps consistently mispercieved as mocking may want to consider not posting in the Nice area, lest they get banned for good. I suggest to make it as complicated as possible.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 20:54:53 GMT -5
Greetings.. Not a bad point. There could be a movement to be extra bullyish in the not-Nice area. But think of it this way, you could have an all out fight with the Borg in one area and have Open Honest discussion in the other. (As long as Honest includes staying within the guidelines.) If only that were accurate, but.. the Borg is not interested in anything but bullying people into submission.. it's not a 'fight' with the Borg, that would involve honestly getting involved and putting their beliefs at risk by actually examining them.. it's just a place where they can display more hostility without the staff feeling guilty for not doing something about it.. E wants to get tough and stomp his feet and threaten, but.. it's empty, it's virtual temper-tantrums.. if there's no intention to examine their own beliefs, why bother.. It sounds like a place for the indoctrination and reprogramming crew to fire-up those old tactic, again.. Be well.. Ah, I love those borg jokes.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 25, 2013 21:02:31 GMT -5
Greetings.. So one kids section and one adult section? Agreed, one for blinders on and one for blinders off... Off to a good start, i see.. blinders on/off, or sleeping/awake.. or other such condescending inferences about where people might choose to post.. so, how about civil/thug, or composed/out-o-control.. Or, as Reefs suggests, less the provocation, leave it alone.. already the 'club' pushes the rules, as in E's recent asterisk disguised embrace of profanity, symbolic of his character as a 'grown-up'.. i suspect that it is this mentality that wants greater latitude to bully others that also favors a "grown-up" section.. though, i do appreciate the irony.. Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 21:09:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. Agreed, one for blinders on and one for blinders off... Off to a good start, i see.. blinders on/off, or sleeping/awake.. or other such condescending inferences about where people might choose to post.. so, how about civil/thug, or composed/out-o-control.. Or, as Reefs suggests, less the provocation, leave it alone.. already the 'club' pushes the rules, as in E's recent asterisk disguised embrace of profanity, symbolic of his character as a 'grown-up'.. i suspect that it is this mentality that wants greater latitude to bully others that also favors a "grown-up" section.. though, i do appreciate the irony.. Be well.. How about a more non-condescending title: borg / no-borg, gang/ no gang?
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 21:15:41 GMT -5
I suggest we also create a 'still mind zone' for Tzu where he can post his monologs and hack away on everyone more freely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 21:18:16 GMT -5
Greetings.. Off to a good start, i see.. blinders on/off, or sleeping/awake.. or other such condescending inferences about where people might choose to post.. so, how about civil/thug, or composed/out-o-control.. Or, as Reefs suggests, less the provocation, leave it alone.. already the 'club' pushes the rules, as in E's recent asterisk disguised embrace of profanity, symbolic of his character as a 'grown-up'.. i suspect that it is this mentality that wants greater latitude to bully others that also favors a "grown-up" section.. though, i do appreciate the irony.. Be well.. How about a more non-condescending title: borg / no-borg, gang/ no gang?
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 25, 2013 21:20:14 GMT -5
Greetings.. I suggest we also create a 'still mind zone' for Tzu where he can post his monologs and hack away on everyone more freely. Why, you've already started a 'TZUJANLI' thread? but, i like the premise, please join me for great fun.. bring flippers and mask, though.. i'll be asking to do your dumpster diving thingy.. it's just so ... cute..... Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 21:44:28 GMT -5
Greetings.. Agreed, one for blinders on and one for blinders off... Off to a good start, i see.. blinders on/off, or sleeping/awake.. or other such condescending inferences about where people might choose to post.. so, how about civil/thug, or composed/out-o-control.. Or, as Reefs suggests, less the provocation, leave it alone.. already the 'club' pushes the rules, as in E's recent asterisk disguised embrace of profanity, symbolic of his character as a 'grown-up'.. i suspect that it is this mentality that wants greater latitude to bully others that also favors a "grown-up" section.. though, i do appreciate the irony.. Be well.. Condescension on my part isn't going to change the direction in which you are searching for happiness. If it did the world would be an infinitely happier place.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 22:30:59 GMT -5
I suggest to make it as complicated as possible. How is what Top is suggesting significantly different from the idea of using ignore buttons? Do we really have to change the entire forum structure just because Top refuses to grow up? Making use of the ignore buttons is much simpler and more effective. Top's approach will only create more chaos. It will result in over-regulation. So many questions that have to be considered first: How far can one go in the kids section? When does the adult stuff start? Is someone banned in the kids section still allowed to post in the adult section? There has to be a long list of dos and donts put into place in the kids section. Looks like a lot of work for one mod.
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