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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 10:40:05 GMT -5
This suggestion as been presented before, but I think its worth presenting again. The suggestion is for the splitting of this singular discussion area into two discussion areas. One has an expectation of decorum, courteous discussion with no baiting or poking people personally. The other discussion area is laissez-fair, ZD style moderation, anything goes. The peeps who want courteous discussion can stay in the courteous discussion section. The peeps who want to build their self-awareness skills and submit themselves to poking and prodding can participate in that discussion area. Then peeps can sort themselves out and participate to their comfort level. Those that are poked and prodded are there willingly and knowing its going to happen and accept that they've agreed to it.
Anyone else in agreement with this? Then we can escalate the issue up to the site owner.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 10:43:32 GMT -5
This suggestion as been presented before, but I think its worth presenting again. The suggestion is for the splitting of this singular discussion area into two discussion areas. One has an expectation of decorum, courteous discussion with no baiting or poking people personally. The other discussion area is laissez-fair, ZD style moderation, anything goes. The peeps who want courteous discussion can stay in the courteous discussion section. The peeps who want to build their self-awareness skills and submit themselves to poking and prodding can participate in that discussion area. Then peeps can sort themselves out and participate to their comfort level. Those that are poked and prodded are there willingly and knowing its going to happen and accept that they've agreed to it. Anyone else in agreement with this? Then we can escalate the issue up to the site owner. So one kids section and one adult section?
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 10:45:15 GMT -5
This suggestion as been presented before, but I think its worth presenting again. The suggestion is for the splitting of this singular discussion area into two discussion areas. One has an expectation of decorum, courteous discussion with no baiting or poking people personally. The other discussion area is laissez-fair, ZD style moderation, anything goes. The peeps who want courteous discussion can stay in the courteous discussion section. The peeps who want to build their self-awareness skills and submit themselves to poking and prodding can participate in that discussion area. Then peeps can sort themselves out and participate to their comfort level. Those that are poked and prodded are there willingly and knowing its going to happen and accept that they've agreed to it. Anyone else in agreement with this? Then we can escalate the issue up to the site owner. So one kids section and one adult section? If that's the way you want to characterize it, so be it. Let the kids be kids and play with kids, and if any of them want to engage being an adult they are welcome to it.
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 10:48:15 GMT -5
More like smoking and non-smoking
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 10:51:25 GMT -5
More like smoking and non-smoking What's your opinion of the proposal, Silver?
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 10:56:13 GMT -5
I think it's a fair idea. I mean, thanks to Peter's leadership and example, this forum is pretty free-wheeling and he's not afraid to experiment with stuff. I like that. (I can't help but imagine, though, depending - one side will be gathering flies - we all have our imaginations to 'decide' whether the idea will be a good one and the outcome is what may come to satisfy the majority. Of course, the swiftest 'solution' would be for everybody to have a modicum of ___________, ____________ and __________.)
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 11:04:07 GMT -5
I think it's a fair idea. I mean, thanks to Peter's leadership and example, this forum is pretty free-wheeling and he's not afraid to experiment with stuff. I like that. (I can't help but imagine, though, depending - one side will be gathering flies - we all have our imaginations to 'decide' whether the idea will be a good one and the outcome is what may come to satisfy the majority. Of course, the swiftest 'solution' would be for everybody to have a modicum of ___________, ____________ and __________.) SF has a bajillion sub-forums and they all seems to get activity. The only "difficulty" would be remembering to have decorum in the moderated forum and to let go of the expectation of decorum in the unmoderated forum.
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 11:10:07 GMT -5
I think it's a fair idea. I mean, thanks to Peter's leadership and example, this forum is pretty free-wheeling and he's not afraid to experiment with stuff. I like that. (I can't help but imagine, though, depending - one side will be gathering flies - we all have our imaginations to 'decide' whether the idea will be a good one and the outcome is what may come to satisfy the majority. Of course, the swiftest 'solution' would be for everybody to have a modicum of ___________, ____________ and __________.) SF has a bajillion sub-forums and they all seems to get activity. The only "difficulty" would be remembering to have decorum in the moderated forum and to let go of the expectation of decorum in the unmoderated forum. I don't think it will be that difficult for some. That's what experiments are for - discovery.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 11:10:17 GMT -5
This suggestion as been presented before, but I think its worth presenting again. The suggestion is for the splitting of this singular discussion area into two discussion areas. One has an expectation of decorum, courteous discussion with no baiting or poking people personally. The other discussion area is laissez-fair, ZD style moderation, anything goes. The peeps who want courteous discussion can stay in the courteous discussion section. The peeps who want to build their self-awareness skills and submit themselves to poking and prodding can participate in that discussion area. Then peeps can sort themselves out and participate to their comfort level. Those that are poked and prodded are there willingly and knowing its going to happen and accept that they've agreed to it. Anyone else in agreement with this? Then we can escalate the issue up to the site owner. I vote: nonsense.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 25, 2013 11:12:08 GMT -5
This suggestion as been presented before, but I think its worth presenting again. The suggestion is for the splitting of this singular discussion area into two discussion areas. One has an expectation of decorum, courteous discussion with no baiting or poking people personally. The other discussion area is laissez-fair, ZD style moderation, anything goes. The peeps who want courteous discussion can stay in the courteous discussion section. The peeps who want to build their self-awareness skills and submit themselves to poking and prodding can participate in that discussion area. Then peeps can sort themselves out and participate to their comfort level. Those that are poked and prodded are there willingly and knowing its going to happen and accept that they've agreed to it. Anyone else in agreement with this? Then we can escalate the issue up to the site owner. Nice idea, but I don't think it will work. Has to be enforced.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 11:16:44 GMT -5
This suggestion as been presented before, but I think its worth presenting again. The suggestion is for the splitting of this singular discussion area into two discussion areas. One has an expectation of decorum, courteous discussion with no baiting or poking people personally. The other discussion area is laissez-fair, ZD style moderation, anything goes. The peeps who want courteous discussion can stay in the courteous discussion section. The peeps who want to build their self-awareness skills and submit themselves to poking and prodding can participate in that discussion area. Then peeps can sort themselves out and participate to their comfort level. Those that are poked and prodded are there willingly and knowing its going to happen and accept that they've agreed to it. Anyone else in agreement with this? Then we can escalate the issue up to the site owner. I vote: nonsense. I vote: nah
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 12:31:32 GMT -5
This suggestion as been presented before, but I think its worth presenting again. The suggestion is for the splitting of this singular discussion area into two discussion areas. One has an expectation of decorum, courteous discussion with no baiting or poking people personally. The other discussion area is laissez-fair, ZD style moderation, anything goes. The peeps who want courteous discussion can stay in the courteous discussion section. The peeps who want to build their self-awareness skills and submit themselves to poking and prodding can participate in that discussion area. Then peeps can sort themselves out and participate to their comfort level. Those that are poked and prodded are there willingly and knowing its going to happen and accept that they've agreed to it. Anyone else in agreement with this? Then we can escalate the issue up to the site owner. Nice idea, but I don't think it will work. Has to be enforced. Only an experiment trying it out would tell what the actual results would be. Peter would continue with his preferred style of moderation on the moderated forum (even tightening it up a bit on things he lets slide right now). And he doesn't have to think about what's happening in the unmoderated section unless its a blatant violation of forum guidelines, spamming adverts, true abusiveness and not just challenging and poking. Some forum software has the ability to set up groups which have permissions or are restricted from some forums and not others. www.proboards.com/forum-help-guide/forum-categories It looks like proboards does have that capability. Peeps who can't keep themselves respectful on a personal level can get put into a group which no longer has access to the moderated forum. A kind of "ban" from the moderated section while continuing access to the unmoderated forum.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 25, 2013 12:47:30 GMT -5
Nice idea, but I don't think it will work. Has to be enforced. Only an experiment trying it out would tell what the actual results would be. Peter would continue with his preferred style of moderation on the moderated forum (even tightening it up a bit on things he lets slide right now). And he doesn't have to think about what's happening in the unmoderated section unless its a blatant violation of forum guidelines, spamming adverts, true abusiveness and not just challenging and poking. Some forum software has the ability to set up groups which have permissions or are restricted from some forums and not others. www.proboards.com/forum-help-guide/forum-categories It looks like proboards does have that capability. Peeps who can't keep themselves respectful on a personal level can get put into a group which no longer has access to the moderated forum. A kind of "ban" from the moderated section while continuing access to the unmoderated forum. As long as I can keep Master Blaster at arm's length, I'm okay with just about anything right now, Top. Now, just so I can get this straight--are we talking, like, a "Ruthless Truth" vs. a "Civilized Discussion" section? Would it be possible to have access to both?
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Post by amit on Jun 25, 2013 13:00:44 GMT -5
This suggestion as been presented before, but I think its worth presenting again. The suggestion is for the splitting of this singular discussion area into two discussion areas. One has an expectation of decorum, courteous discussion with no baiting or poking people personally. The other discussion area is laissez-fair, ZD style moderation, anything goes. The peeps who want courteous discussion can stay in the courteous discussion section. The peeps who want to build their self-awareness skills and submit themselves to poking and prodding can participate in that discussion area. Then peeps can sort themselves out and participate to their comfort level. Those that are poked and prodded are there willingly and knowing its going to happen and accept that they've agreed to it. Anyone else in agreement with this? Then we can escalate the issue up to the site owner. Hi topology, Its worth a try if those interested in getting personal will keep that to the their section without the enforcing difficulties mentioned by Beingist. There is such a strong belief in the usefulness of that approach that they disregard the wishes of others who are not into it at all, but its worth a try. amit
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 13:11:49 GMT -5
The moderation for this idea seems impossible to me. Who and how would the judgement be made if someone is playing nice or not? Would there be clear rules? Would it be a benevolent dictatorship or democratic rule? Seems to me it would drift into either inactivity or bickering about rules and process. Would sarcasm be allowed? Would the anarchy area be able to quote the prim area and vice versa?
Whatev. I don't have a problem with it. The more the merrier (in terms of diversity and perspective) I say.
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