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Post by Beingist on Jun 29, 2013 10:58:25 GMT -5
Would rather not write another text wall, top (already wrote one in the mockery thread), but basically, it goes something like this: B: yeah, so I'm asking "what am I?" ... E: what a stupid phucking question (what B hears, not what E really says) B: (to self) WTF?! Concurrently.... B: mind hooks Quinn: mind stopper B: (to self) WTF?! silence: yes, that's right, you're phucked. That's all I have to say about that. I saw a real turn around in how much resentment you were expressing through your interaction with Quinn. She engaged you calmly and you were able to discuss your misperception with her. If she had no been present with you through your reaction and instead did what Reefs and Enigma do, which is start talking about your not getting it and joking about the hang-up they think you're stuck with, how would you have reacted and would you be in the same place right now? LOL ... sounds like an interview for "Consciousness Today" Magazine. Your question is a hypothetical, and as such, I really can't answer it. Had Quinn responded with mockery, I really don't know how I would have responded. Quinn's not much of a mocker, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 11:00:29 GMT -5
LOL ... sounds like an interview for "Consciousness Today" Magazine. quote]
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Post by Beingist on Jun 29, 2013 11:19:05 GMT -5
By interacting with a few of them that have left and their telling me so. I am adding some colorful language, but the gist of it was that the forum as a gestalt felt like a caustic place to be and there wasn't much room (civil respect) for other notions of spirituality. It doesn't take much repetition of: You are deluded You are confused You are misperceiving You are misconceiving You are addicted You are failing You are hopeless You are histrionic You are drama ... before "You" (the person) begins to feel like "I'm" not wanted, respected, appreciated, etc. etc. Gotta lose the 'I'. Only way I know how to do that, is to allow yourself to really feel the feelings of not being wanted, respected, etc. Do that enough, and you'll lose interest in how you're being treated. But, that's what is going on, here, in this forum. E himself has noted a gazillion times how peeps don't want to go through the $hit to find Peace. But, if you want Peace, you gotta go through the $hit. This is what Niz talks about with his 'earnestness'. The short answer is, get over it.
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Post by enigma on Jun 29, 2013 11:21:10 GMT -5
Would rather not write another text wall, top (already wrote one in the mockery thread), but basically, it goes something like this: B: yeah, so I'm asking "what am I?" ... E: what a stupid phucking question (what B hears, not what E really says) B: (to self) WTF?! Concurrently.... B: mind hooks Quinn: mind stopper B: (to self) WTF?! silence: yes, that's right, you're phucked. That's all I have to say about that. I saw a real turn around in how much resentment you were expressing through your interaction with Quinn. She engaged you calmly and you were able to discuss your misperception with her. If she had no been present with you through your reaction and instead did what Reefs and Enigma do, which is start talking about your not getting it and joking about the hang-up they think you're stuck with, how would you have reacted and would you be in the same place right now? I played my role and Quinn played hers. You would change the story line to bypass the tragic comedy, but it cannot be bypassed.
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Post by silver on Jun 29, 2013 11:22:04 GMT -5
By interacting with a few of them that have left and their telling me so. I am adding some colorful language, but the gist of it was that the forum as a gestalt felt like a caustic place to be and there wasn't much room (civil respect) for other notions of spirituality. It doesn't take much repetition of: You are deluded You are confused You are misperceiving You are misconceiving You are addicted You are failing You are hopeless You are histrionic You are drama ... before "You" (the person) begins to feel like "I'm" not wanted, respected, appreciated, etc. etc. Gotta lose the 'I'. Only way I know how to do that, is to allow yourself to really feel the feelings of not being wanted, respected, etc. Do that enough, and you'll lose interest in how you're being treated. But, that's what is going on, here, in this forum. E himself has noted a gazillion times how peeps don't want to go through the $hit to find Peace. But, if you want Peace, you gotta go through the $hit. This is what Niz talks about with his 'earnestness'. The short answer is, get over it. Sounds like Total Masochism to me.
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Post by quinn on Jun 29, 2013 11:25:47 GMT -5
Would rather not write another text wall, top (already wrote one in the mockery thread), but basically, it goes something like this: B: yeah, so I'm asking "what am I?" ... E: what a stupid phucking question (what B hears, not what E really says) B: (to self) WTF?! Concurrently.... B: mind hooks Quinn: mind stopper B: (to self) WTF?! silence: yes, that's right, you're phucked. That's all I have to say about that. I saw a real turn around in how much resentment you were expressing through your interaction with Quinn. She engaged you calmly and you were able to discuss your misperception with her. If she had no been present with you through your reaction and instead did what Reefs and Enigma do, which is start talking about your not getting it and joking about the hang-up they think you're stuck with, how would you have reacted and would you be in the same place right now? You're looking at it thru the Top-filter. There's no answer to your last question. There's no way of knowing. I responded through my personality (which is actually pretty similar to yours in many ways). In this instance, B heard me. Or maybe Silence agreeing with me kind of blew B's mind (heh heh) and that was enough to shake it loose on the 'misconceived' issue. Who knows. The point isn't who's 'way' is a better, more fair and equitable way. The point is that you are going to express yourself as Top and Reefs is going to express himself as Reefs and none of us has any idea what's effective and what's not. Doesn't mean you shouldn't express what you think is effective. I'm glad you do. Poisonally, I think Reefs is way out in left field when he drags up old posts and ties them to his version of what's going on with you. (Or anyone). But his underlying message is valid. You do seem to be bringing something additional to the is-the-forum-healthy debate. Something about fairness and powerlessness. You haven't just expressed your opinion - you've fanned the flames of dissent, rallied the troops and charged ahead in revamping the whole forum. It's war, Top. It's couched in well thought-out arguments, civility and democracy. But you're smart enough to know that if you add up all the people unsettled by Enigma and Reefs, currently there's a majority.
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Post by enigma on Jun 29, 2013 11:27:57 GMT -5
By interacting with a few of them that have left and their telling me so. I am adding some colorful language, but the gist of it was that the forum as a gestalt felt like a caustic place to be and there wasn't much room (civil respect) for other notions of spirituality. It doesn't take much repetition of: You are deluded You are confused You are misperceiving You are misconceiving You are addicted You are failing You are hopeless You are histrionic You are drama ... before "You" (the person) begins to feel like "I'm" not wanted, respected, appreciated, etc. etc. Okay. Maybe it's a good way to weed out the insincere ones who just want to be wanted, appreciated, respected, etc. Maybe SF is a better place for them to spin their wheels.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 11:32:18 GMT -5
I saw a real turn around in how much resentment you were expressing through your interaction with Quinn. She engaged you calmly and you were able to discuss your misperception with her. If she had no been present with you through your reaction and instead did what Reefs and Enigma do, which is start talking about your not getting it and joking about the hang-up they think you're stuck with, how would you have reacted and would you be in the same place right now? You're looking at it thru the Top-filter. There's no answer to your last question. There's no way of knowing. I responded through my personality (which is actually pretty similar to yours in many ways). In this instance, B heard me. Or maybe Silence agreeing with me kind of blew B's mind (heh heh) and that was enough to shake it loose on the 'misconceived' issue. Who knows. The point isn't who's 'way' is a better, more fair and equitable way. The point is that you are going to express yourself as Top and Reefs is going to express himself as Reefs and none of us has any idea what's effective and what's not. Doesn't mean you shouldn't express what you think is effective. I'm glad you do. Poisonally, I think Reefs is way out in left field when he drags up old posts and ties them to his version of what's going on with you. (Or anyone). But his underlying message is valid. You do seem to be bringing something additional to the is-the-forum-healthy debate. Something about fairness and powerlessness. You haven't just expressed your opinion - you've fanned the flames of dissent, rallied the troops and charged ahead in revamping the whole forum. It's war, Top. It's couched in well thought-out arguments, civility and democracy. But you're smart enough to know that if you add up all the people unsettled by Enigma and Reefs, currently there's a majority. I dunno.... The sh!t and the beauty are the same thing, but the sh!t is given preference around here. Niz says- Love tells me I am everything... It's always about balance.
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Post by enigma on Jun 29, 2013 11:33:11 GMT -5
I saw a real turn around in how much resentment you were expressing through your interaction with Quinn. She engaged you calmly and you were able to discuss your misperception with her. If she had no been present with you through your reaction and instead did what Reefs and Enigma do, which is start talking about your not getting it and joking about the hang-up they think you're stuck with, how would you have reacted and would you be in the same place right now? I don't buy your thesis. And I don't think B had an actually realization about the true nature of his disagreements with E/R. He may have 'let it go' for now though. Time will tell. I'm pretty sure he saw that he heard something that wasn't said. I've seen him notice that a few times, usually after some upset. There are some here who never notice such things.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 29, 2013 11:36:41 GMT -5
How very strange it is, anymore, to read what people say about you, as if you weren't there.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 29, 2013 11:39:29 GMT -5
How very strange it is, anymore, to read what people say about you, as if you weren't there. Deal with it!
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Post by Reefs on Jun 29, 2013 11:43:03 GMT -5
I saw a real turn around in how much resentment you were expressing through your interaction with Quinn. She engaged you calmly and you were able to discuss your misperception with her. If she had no been present with you through your reaction and instead did what Reefs and Enigma do, which is start talking about your not getting it and joking about the hang-up they think you're stuck with, how would you have reacted and would you be in the same place right now? You're looking at it thru the Top-filter. There's no answer to your last question. There's no way of knowing. I responded through my personality (which is actually pretty similar to yours in many ways). In this instance, B heard me. Or maybe Silence agreeing with me kind of blew B's mind (heh heh) and that was enough to shake it loose on the 'misconceived' issue. Who knows. Actually, Enigma just tweaked his hypnotic suggestions a little and Bengst was responding accordingly.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 29, 2013 11:43:36 GMT -5
How very strange it is, anymore, to read what people say about you, as if you weren't there. Deal with it! Aye, aye, Cap'n
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Post by enigma on Jun 29, 2013 11:45:52 GMT -5
By interacting with a few of them that have left and their telling me so. I am adding some colorful language, but the gist of it was that the forum as a gestalt felt like a caustic place to be and there wasn't much room (civil respect) for other notions of spirituality. It doesn't take much repetition of: You are deluded You are confused You are misperceiving You are misconceiving You are addicted You are failing You are hopeless You are histrionic You are drama ... before "You" (the person) begins to feel like "I'm" not wanted, respected, appreciated, etc. etc. Yes, Top, I've received very similar feedback from several folks who have visited this site to read along....they had no interest in actually jumping into the conversations, mostly for the reason you cite above, but a few (who are into LOA) have also said that to partake in such conversation would be to knowingly/willingly engage in activity that lowers vibration.......pulls them from the flow, vortex. Have had some very interesting conversations on that one actually. I'd say the 'vibration' here is higher than it is in most places because the truth, in whatever context, is talked about on a regular basis. Of course it won't feel that way to ego because truth is anathema to ego.
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Post by quinn on Jun 29, 2013 11:53:35 GMT -5
You're looking at it thru the Top-filter. There's no answer to your last question. There's no way of knowing. I responded through my personality (which is actually pretty similar to yours in many ways). In this instance, B heard me. Or maybe Silence agreeing with me kind of blew B's mind (heh heh) and that was enough to shake it loose on the 'misconceived' issue. Who knows. The point isn't who's 'way' is a better, more fair and equitable way. The point is that you are going to express yourself as Top and Reefs is going to express himself as Reefs and none of us has any idea what's effective and what's not. Doesn't mean you shouldn't express what you think is effective. I'm glad you do. Poisonally, I think Reefs is way out in left field when he drags up old posts and ties them to his version of what's going on with you. (Or anyone). But his underlying message is valid. You do seem to be bringing something additional to the is-the-forum-healthy debate. Something about fairness and powerlessness. You haven't just expressed your opinion - you've fanned the flames of dissent, rallied the troops and charged ahead in revamping the whole forum. It's war, Top. It's couched in well thought-out arguments, civility and democracy. But you're smart enough to know that if you add up all the people unsettled by Enigma and Reefs, currently there's a majority. I dunno.... The sh!t and the beauty are the same thing, but the sh!t is given preference around here. Niz says- Love tells me I am everything... It's always about balance. The beauty's easy. It's harder to root around in the sh!t. Lotsa forums and teachers out there telling you you're Love, but if there's sh!t in your ears....
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