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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 2:45:55 GMT -5
Being given back your representative million strong, has caused you to reduce the throng to 2 or 3 now. That shows how sincere you were in your argument as well. I'm aware of the accuracy of both or I wouldn't have made a peep. You're ill equipped to pass judgment on anyone's sincerity or lack thereof. |
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Post by silver on Jun 29, 2013 2:56:50 GMT -5
I'm aware of the accuracy of both or I wouldn't have made a peep. You're ill equipped to pass judgment on anyone's sincerity or lack thereof. It's simple to see one was a comparison, the other was what was/is. That's all, folks.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 3:09:47 GMT -5
Is it judgement, or just ten out of ten for observation? It's simple to see one was a comparison, the other was what was/is. That's all, folks. Yeah ok, we can all see the Hanna and Barbera ending, though just out of curiosity, ~ What equipment is necessary, to be well able, to pass judgement, and recognise whether sincerity was beating healthily or not? |
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Post by topology on Jun 29, 2013 7:00:33 GMT -5
Sounds like you're insinuating that's a bad thing. I always say, if one person is thinking it a million people are thinking it, too. It's very safe to say if one person says 'X', someone else is thinking or feeling the same thing. Odds are in my favor.  Speaking on behalf of someone else, over an issue that the heart isn't behind, is a distortion, and Top knows that. It may suit a million villagers to get riled up again and again and again, it's the reactivity they feel safe in. Though for the wolves that have been watching the villagers for eons, insincerity can be smelt. Wren, I also know that peeps who are dominated by their emotions and invested in their perceptions usually don't calm down enough to become open to self-examination until they feel like they are being heard, understood, seen, honored, respected, etc. While they feel like they are being attacked or misunderstood, they cling tighter to their views and perceptions. |
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Post by Beingist on Jun 29, 2013 7:51:21 GMT -5
Speaking on behalf of someone else, over an issue that the heart isn't behind, is a distortion, and Top knows that. It may suit a million villagers to get riled up again and again and again, it's the reactivity they feel safe in. Though for the wolves that have been watching the villagers for eons, insincerity can be smelt. Wren, I also know that peeps who are dominated by their emotions and invested in their perceptions usually don't calm down enough to become open to self-examination until they feel like they are being heard, understood, seen, honored, respected, etc. While they feel like they are being attacked or misunderstood, they cling tighter to their views and perceptions. Gonna disagree with this one, top, and mainly 'cause I just watched The Miracle Worker. "Give an inch and take a mile"--let someone 'be heard', and they'll assume and further demand they'll have the right to be heard. Let them not speak, and all they have is themselves to whom to speak. This means they must go within. Going within is most propitious for realizing that one's views and perceptions are ultimately meaningless. |
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Post by topology on Jun 29, 2013 8:26:01 GMT -5
Wren, I also know that peeps who are dominated by their emotions and invested in their perceptions usually don't calm down enough to become open to self-examination until they feel like they are being heard, understood, seen, honored, respected, etc. While they feel like they are being attacked or misunderstood, they cling tighter to their views and perceptions. Gonna disagree with this one, top, and mainly 'cause I just watched The Miracle Worker. "Give an inch and take a mile"--let someone 'be heard', and they'll assume and further demand they'll have the right to be heard. Let them not speak, and all they have is themselves to whom to speak. This means they must go within. Going within is most propitious for realizing that one's views and perceptions are ultimately meaningless. Beingist, could you give a step by step account of how you went from being resentful towards Enigma and Reefs to prettying expressing the same point of view just now. I saw some things which I thought were instrumental in turning around the attitude, and I want to hear your account of it first. |
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Post by Beingist on Jun 29, 2013 8:46:26 GMT -5
Gonna disagree with this one, top, and mainly 'cause I just watched The Miracle Worker. "Give an inch and take a mile"--let someone 'be heard', and they'll assume and further demand they'll have the right to be heard. Let them not speak, and all they have is themselves to whom to speak. This means they must go within. Going within is most propitious for realizing that one's views and perceptions are ultimately meaningless. Beingist, could you give a step by step account of how you went from being resentful towards Enigma and Reefs to prettying expressing the same point of view just now. I saw some things which I thought were instrumental in turning around the attitude, and I want to hear your account of it first. Would rather not write another text wall, top (already wrote one in the mockery thread), but basically, it goes something like this: B: yeah, so I'm asking "what am I?" ... E: what a stupid phucking question (what B hears, not what E really says) B: (to self) WTF?! Concurrently.... B: mind hooks Quinn: mind stopper B: (to self) WTF?! silence: yes, that's right, you're phucked. That's all I have to say about that. |
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Post by enigma on Jun 29, 2013 10:04:51 GMT -5
How can someone interested in speerichuality, particularly on a forum that focuses primarily on non-duality, particularly this forum, have no interest at all in truth? When one joins an underwater basket weaving forum and actively participates in the discussions there, receiving replies about underwater basket weaving is not really being force fed, and there's really no reason for concern. This forum is not yours or mine. It is not limited to non-dual teachings according to the header. If it were ours we would have the right to limit it, but it isn't. Therefore it attracts different kinds of "spiritual" folk with different kinds of ideas of what spirituality is. Some are sincere, some are not. Some come to learn, some come with their own agenda. You are a sharp dude. You give what you've got freely, and that is awesome, but you also know when your words are returned to you...when another is not interested in what you offer. With these what good is served to insist/persist to feed them what you've got when clearly there's no hungry for it? When have you seen me do that? Could you give a specific example? |
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Post by enigma on Jun 29, 2013 10:09:23 GMT -5
Do you honestly think that there is only you, eating from this buffet? I don't think s/he was talking about himself/herself. There have been many people that have come and left the board because they choked on the messages forced down their throats. How do you know that? |
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Post by silver on Jun 29, 2013 10:19:16 GMT -5
It's simple to see one was a comparison, the other was what was/is. That's all, folks. Yeah ok, we can all see the Hanna and Barbera ending, though just out of curiosity, ~ What equipment is necessary, to be well able, to pass judgement, and recognise whether sincerity was beating healthily or not? Not seeing the whole / bigger picture........the man who made the original statement verified what Top said by saying as much ("Top has it right.") - how you could miss that is beyond me. He directly responded that's what he meant. There is a certain history about this forum that gets talked about here and there, off and on that you may not be aware of, or you just choose to overlook it... |
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Post by topology on Jun 29, 2013 10:20:35 GMT -5
Beingist, could you give a step by step account of how you went from being resentful towards Enigma and Reefs to prettying expressing the same point of view just now. I saw some things which I thought were instrumental in turning around the attitude, and I want to hear your account of it first. Would rather not write another text wall, top (already wrote one in the mockery thread), but basically, it goes something like this: B: yeah, so I'm asking "what am I?" ... E: what a stupid phucking question (what B hears, not what E really says) B: (to self) WTF?! Concurrently.... B: mind hooks Quinn: mind stopper B: (to self) WTF?! silence: yes, that's right, you're phucked. That's all I have to say about that. I saw a real turn around in how much resentment you were expressing through your interaction with Quinn. She engaged you calmly and you were able to discuss your misperception with her. If she had no been present with you through your reaction and instead did what Reefs and Enigma do, which is start talking about your not getting it and joking about the hang-up they think you're stuck with, how would you have reacted and would you be in the same place right now? |
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Post by topology on Jun 29, 2013 10:33:37 GMT -5
I don't think s/he was talking about himself/herself. There have been many people that have come and left the board because they choked on the messages forced down their throats. How do you know that? By interacting with a few of them that have left and their telling me so. I am adding some colorful language, but the gist of it was that the forum as a gestalt felt like a caustic place to be and there wasn't much room (civil respect) for other notions of spirituality. It doesn't take much repetition of: You are deluded You are confused You are misperceiving You are misconceiving You are addicted You are failing You are hopeless You are histrionic You are drama ... before "You" (the person) begins to feel like "I'm" not wanted, respected, appreciated, etc. etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 10:36:25 GMT -5
I saw a real turn around in how much resentment you were expressing through your interaction with Quinn. She engaged you calmly and you were able to discuss your misperception with her. If she had no been present with you through your reaction and instead did what Reefs and Enigma do, which is start talking about your not getting it and joking about the hang-up they think you're stuck with, how would you have reacted and would you be in the same place right now? I don't buy your thesis. And I don't think B had an actually realization about the true nature of his disagreements with E/R. He may have 'let it go' for now though. Time will tell. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 29, 2013 10:43:05 GMT -5
I saw a real turn around in how much resentment you were expressing through your interaction with Quinn. She engaged you calmly and you were able to discuss your misperception with her. If she had no been present with you through your reaction and instead did what Reefs and Enigma do, which is start talking about your not getting it and joking about the hang-up they think you're stuck with, how would you have reacted and would you be in the same place right now? I don't buy your thesis. And I don't think B had an actually realization about the true nature of his disagreements with E/R. He may have 'let it go' for now though. Time will tell. Maybe it's time for that reminder again?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 10:54:23 GMT -5
By interacting with a few of them that have left and their telling me so. I am adding some colorful language, but the gist of it was that the forum as a gestalt felt like a caustic place to be and there wasn't much room (civil respect) for other notions of spirituality. It doesn't take much repetition of: You are deluded You are confused You are misperceiving You are misconceiving You are addicted You are failing You are hopeless You are histrionic You are drama ... before "You" (the person) begins to feel like "I'm" not wanted, respected, appreciated, etc. etc. Yes, Top, I've received very similar feedback from several folks who have visited this site to read along....they had no interest in actually jumping into the conversations, mostly for the reason you cite above, but a few (who are into LOA) have also said that to partake in such conversation would be to knowingly/willingly engage in activity that lowers vibration.......pulls them from the flow, vortex. Have had some very interesting conversations on that one actually. |
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