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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 24, 2013 20:34:21 GMT -5
Jesus: “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.
Ramana: If the highest truth is taught to the unworthy, it is bound to be perverted and abused.
Any others?
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 24, 2013 20:39:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. Jesus: “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you. Ramana: If the highest truth is taught to the unworthy, it is bound to be perverted and abused. Any others? "Discrimination in Speaking Truth", begins with understanding what 'truth' means, to the speaker AND to the hearer.. Be well..
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 24, 2013 22:47:48 GMT -5
"I repeat that the Law of Sevenfoldness will exist on the earth as long as the Universe exists, and it will be seen and understood by men in all times as long as human thought exists on the Earth, and it can therefore boldly be said that the knowledge indicated in this manner in the mentioned productions will exist also forever on the Earth.
And as regards the method itself, that is to say, the mode of transmission through this Law, in my opinion, it can be actualized in the following way:
In all the productions which we shall intentionally create on the basis of this Law for the purposes of transmitting to remote generations, we shall intentionally introduce certain also lawful inexactitudes, and in these lawful inexactitudes, we shall place, by means available to us, the contents of some true knowledge or other which is already in the possession of men of the present time. ............
........but these Babylonian learned beings intentionally put the feet of the said leader of the ceremony not as they should be placed in accordance with this Law, but otherwise".
"So, whenever the Babylonian learned painters wove or embroidered with colored threads or colored their productions, they inserted the distinctions of the tonalities of the colors in the crosslines as well as in the horizontal lines and even in the intersecting lines of color, not in the lawful sequence in which this process really proceeds, in accordance with the Law of Sevenfoldness, but otherwise; and in these also lawful 'otherwises', they placed the contents of some or other information or knowledge".
pgs 461, 462, 465, 475 All & Everything, First Series, Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 25, 2013 8:15:12 GMT -5
Part of this is more and more talk about what's wrong and what we can do to fix it. More style and behavioral discussion, more complaining, more childish bickering and back biting. The overall effect is the unwillingness to take personal responsibility for the direction of the forum discussions. A lack of that soberness that comes naturally to the shipwrecked crew on a deserted island. After all, the rescue boat is coming so lets party. Yes, 'a place for adults' says it well. I remember times of sincerity and courage, inspiration and wisdom, hard falls and lessons learned, and yes, God help us, even melt downs. Maybe that didn't really happen, I dunno, but it seemed clear peeps joined a spiritual forum because of their interest in spirituality, if not a downright determination to wake the hell up and be done with the nonsense once and for all. That's not clear at all anymore. I read Top's lengthy post about what the problem is. I thought it was insightful and pretty much on target. I won't tell you what my next thought was, but it rhymes with 'Now can we sh*t can all of that childish nonsense and just grow the f*ck up'? see now that right there's why you get paid the megafroggybucks big guy These are all very nice sentiments. Nostalgic, wishful, noble even. But they deny the reality of things. Nothing ever stays the same and not everyone is capable of coming to the table equally. Not everyone is ready, willing or able to love or appreciate the deeper Truths. Not everyone will grow up. One of the more "un-grown-up" things observed on this forum is those who supposedly know the Truth arguing that Truth with those unappreciative or incapable of understanding that Truth. It's like observing an adult berating an autistic kid for failure to overcome his autism, or hounding a man to walk when he is paralyzed. The only problem I see on this forum is the failure of some of those who know to recognize that there are those who do not want to know and/or are incapable of appreciating what you offer. Which in itself is perfectly alright because that's the way it is...at least in that moment, maybe for a lifetime. Allowance and acceptance means that when you find resistance to what you offer, you shake the dust from your feet and move on. There is room on this forum for all. It's just knowing when to speak your Truth and when to withhold. ZD, for example is very judicious with his words. He speaks where there is receptivity and does not respond to the closed minded. His example nips in the bud all argumentation. Great teachers have always known where folk are coming from and meet them where they are at. Meat is not given when milk is required. This is discrimination. The effect is that when ZD does speak on this forum, it is powerful in its depth and reach. Folks take notice. But to constantly and indiscriminately beat others over the head with Truth at every turn, to argue Oneness, for example, with him who hasn't been Graced to understand what that means, is simply folly, and only adds to the lack of adult decorum one complains is lacking. Argumentation always takes two. The only winning move is not to play.
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Post by laughter on Jun 25, 2013 9:43:59 GMT -5
Part of this is more and more talk about what's wrong and what we can do to fix it. More style and behavioral discussion, more complaining, more childish bickering and back biting. The overall effect is the unwillingness to take personal responsibility for the direction of the forum discussions. A lack of that soberness that comes naturally to the shipwrecked crew on a deserted island. After all, the rescue boat is coming so lets party. Yes, 'a place for adults' says it well. I remember times of sincerity and courage, inspiration and wisdom, hard falls and lessons learned, and yes, God help us, even melt downs. Maybe that didn't really happen, I dunno, but it seemed clear peeps joined a spiritual forum because of their interest in spirituality, if not a downright determination to wake the hell up and be done with the nonsense once and for all. That's not clear at all anymore. I read Top's lengthy post about what the problem is. I thought it was insightful and pretty much on target. I won't tell you what my next thought was, but it rhymes with 'Now can we sh*t can all of that childish nonsense and just grow the f*ck up'? see now that right there's why you get paid the megafroggybucks big guy These are all very nice sentiments. Nostalgic, wishful, noble even. But they deny the reality of things. Nothing ever stays the same and not everyone is capable of coming to the table equally. Not everyone is ready, willing or able to love or appreciate the deeper Truths. Not everyone will grow up. One of the more "un-grown-up" things observed on this forum is those who supposedly know the Truth arguing that Truth with those unappreciative or incapable of understanding that Truth. It's like observing an adult berating an autistic kid for failure to overcome his autism, or hounding a man to walk when he is paralyzed. The only problem I see on this forum is the failure of some of those who know to recognize that there are those who do not want to know and/or are incapable of appreciating what you offer. Which in itself is perfectly alright because that's the way it is...at least in that moment, maybe for a lifetime. Allowance and acceptance means that when you find resistance to what you offer, you shake the dust from your feet and move on. There is room on this forum for all. It's just knowing when to speak your Truth and when to withhold. ZD, for example is very judicious with his words. He speaks where there is receptivity and does not respond to the closed minded. His example nips in the bud all argumentation. Great teachers have always known where folk are coming from and meet them where they are at. Meat is not given when milk is required. This is discrimination. The effect is that when ZD does speak on this forum, it is powerful in its depth and reach. Folks take notice. But to constantly and indiscriminately beat others over the head with Truth at every turn, to argue Oneness, for example, with him who hasn't been Graced to understand what that means, is simply folly, and only adds to the lack of adult decorum one complains is lacking. Argumentation always takes two. The only winning move is not to play.
I wouldn't characterize ZD as judicious. Rather I'd say that there are various appearances. Eyes, words, keyboards, reactions or lack thereof. There's movement or there isn't.
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 10:01:07 GMT -5
These are all very nice sentiments. Nostalgic, wishful, noble even. But they deny the reality of things. Nothing ever stays the same and not everyone is capable of coming to the table equally. Not everyone is ready, willing or able to love or appreciate the deeper Truths. Not everyone will grow up. One of the more "un-grown-up" things observed on this forum is those who supposedly know the Truth arguing that Truth with those unappreciative or incapable of understanding that Truth. It's like observing an adult berating an autistic kid for failure to overcome his autism, or hounding a man to walk when he is paralyzed. The only problem I see on this forum is the failure of some of those who know to recognize that there are those who do not want to know and/or are incapable of appreciating what you offer. Which in itself is perfectly alright because that's the way it is...at least in that moment, maybe for a lifetime. Allowance and acceptance means that when you find resistance to what you offer, you shake the dust from your feet and move on. There is room on this forum for all. It's just knowing when to speak your Truth and when to withhold. ZD, for example is very judicious with his words. He speaks where there is receptivity and does not respond to the closed minded. His example nips in the bud all argumentation. Great teachers have always known where folk are coming from and meet them where they are at. Meat is not given when milk is required. This is discrimination. The effect is that when ZD does speak on this forum, it is powerful in its depth and reach. Folks take notice. But to constantly and indiscriminately beat others over the head with Truth at every turn, to argue Oneness, for example, with him who hasn't been Graced to understand what that means, is simply folly, and only adds to the lack of adult decorum one complains is lacking...
...A masterpiece, Justlikeyou.
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Post by enigma on Jun 25, 2013 10:17:53 GMT -5
Part of this is more and more talk about what's wrong and what we can do to fix it. More style and behavioral discussion, more complaining, more childish bickering and back biting. The overall effect is the unwillingness to take personal responsibility for the direction of the forum discussions. A lack of that soberness that comes naturally to the shipwrecked crew on a deserted island. After all, the rescue boat is coming so lets party. Yes, 'a place for adults' says it well. I remember times of sincerity and courage, inspiration and wisdom, hard falls and lessons learned, and yes, God help us, even melt downs. Maybe that didn't really happen, I dunno, but it seemed clear peeps joined a spiritual forum because of their interest in spirituality, if not a downright determination to wake the hell up and be done with the nonsense once and for all. That's not clear at all anymore. I read Top's lengthy post about what the problem is. I thought it was insightful and pretty much on target. I won't tell you what my next thought was, but it rhymes with 'Now can we sh*t can all of that childish nonsense and just grow the f*ck up'? see now that right there's why you get paid the megafroggybucks big guy These are all very nice sentiments. Nostalgic, wishful, noble even. But they deny the reality of things. Nothing ever stays the same and not everyone is capable of coming to the table equally. Not everyone is ready, willing or able to love or appreciate the deeper Truths. Not everyone will grow up. One of the more "un-grown-up" things observed on this forum is those who supposedly know the Truth arguing that Truth with those unappreciative or incapable of understanding that Truth. It's like observing an adult berating an autistic kid for failure to overcome his autism, or hounding a man to walk when he is paralyzed. The 'reality of things' is that nobody is paralyzed. Because I do meet folks where they are at, the quality of what I have to say depends almost entirely on the quality of what others have to say.
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 10:26:06 GMT -5
These are all very nice sentiments. Nostalgic, wishful, noble even. But they deny the reality of things. Nothing ever stays the same and not everyone is capable of coming to the table equally. Not everyone is ready, willing or able to love or appreciate the deeper Truths. Not everyone will grow up. One of the more "un-grown-up" things observed on this forum is those who supposedly know the Truth arguing that Truth with those unappreciative or incapable of understanding that Truth. It's like observing an adult berating an autistic kid for failure to overcome his autism, or hounding a man to walk when he is paralyzed. The 'reality of things' is that nobody is paralyzed.Because I do meet folks where they are at, the quality of what I have to say depends almost entirely on the quality of what others have to say. Jly's use of the word paralyzed there, if I'm not mistaken (which I don't think I am at all), is a bit of exaggeration used for effect - I think you know this, E... As for meeting folks where they are...sometimes what a person types is just words on a page.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 25, 2013 10:48:20 GMT -5
These are all very nice sentiments. Nostalgic, wishful, noble even. But they deny the reality of things. Nothing ever stays the same and not everyone is capable of coming to the table equally. Not everyone is ready, willing or able to love or appreciate the deeper Truths. Not everyone will grow up. One of the more "un-grown-up" things observed on this forum is those who supposedly know the Truth arguing that Truth with those unappreciative or incapable of understanding that Truth. It's like observing an adult berating an autistic kid for failure to overcome his autism, or hounding a man to walk when he is paralyzed. The only problem I see on this forum is the failure of some of those who know to recognize that there are those who do not want to know and/or are incapable of appreciating what you offer. Which in itself is perfectly alright because that's the way it is...at least in that moment, maybe for a lifetime. Allowance and acceptance means that when you find resistance to what you offer, you shake the dust from your feet and move on. There is room on this forum for all. It's just knowing when to speak your Truth and when to withhold. ZD, for example is very judicious with his words. He speaks where there is receptivity and does not respond to the closed minded. His example nips in the bud all argumentation. Great teachers have always known where folk are coming from and meet them where they are at. Meat is not given when milk is required. This is discrimination. The effect is that when ZD does speak on this forum, it is powerful in its depth and reach. Folks take notice. But to constantly and indiscriminately beat others over the head with Truth at every turn, to argue Oneness, for example, with him who hasn't been Graced to understand what that means, is simply folly, and only adds to the lack of adult decorum one complains is lacking. Argumentation always takes two. The only winning move is not to play.
I wouldn't characterize ZD as judicious. Rather I'd say that there are various appearances. Eyes, words, keyboards, reactions or lack thereof. There's movement or there isn't. Yes, ZD understands that, which makes him judicious.
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Post by laughter on Jun 25, 2013 13:56:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't characterize ZD as judicious. Rather I'd say that there are various appearances. Eyes, words, keyboards, reactions or lack thereof. There's movement or there isn't. Yes, ZD understands that, which makes him judicious. (*** munch, munch, swallow .... pats desk cat on the head ***)
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Post by Beingist on Jun 25, 2013 13:59:11 GMT -5
Yes, ZD understands that, which makes him judicious. (*** munch, munch, swallow .... pats desk cat on the head ***) **chuckle**
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Post by enigma on Jun 25, 2013 18:38:45 GMT -5
The 'reality of things' is that nobody is paralyzed.Because I do meet folks where they are at, the quality of what I have to say depends almost entirely on the quality of what others have to say. Jly's use of the word paralyzed there, if I'm not mistaken (which I don't think I am at all), is a bit of exaggeration used for effect - I think you know this, E... He was characterizing a group of peeps as incapable, and I disagree with that characterization. Being conscious or Realization or what have you, is not a matter of capability, but rather willingness. Everyone is 'capable'.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 25, 2013 20:01:32 GMT -5
]He was characterizing a group of peeps as incapable, and I disagree with that characterization. Being conscious or Realization or what have you, is not a matter of capability, but rather willingness. Everyone is 'capable'. If One is willing and desirous to know the Truth about Who He is, then he is capable of Realization. But if One is unwilling or does not care to know Who He is then he is incapable of Realizing that Truth. Willingness and desire precede capability of realization. No willingness, no desire, no capability. Niz: "It is very easy to be quiet, but willingness is rare."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 20:10:01 GMT -5
]He was characterizing a group of peeps as incapable, and I disagree with that characterization. Being conscious or Realization or what have you, is not a matter of capability, but rather willingness. Everyone is 'capable'. If One is willing and desirous to know the Truth about Who He is, then he is capable of Realization. But if One is unwilling or does not care to know Who He is then he is incapable of Realizing that Truth. Willingness and desire precede capability of realization. No willingness, no desire, no capability. Niz: "It is very easy to be quiet, but willingness is rare." Yes, we 'are' what we are searching for... It just takes some time searching around in the objective world before that becomes apparent...
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Post by Ishtahota on Jun 25, 2013 20:35:36 GMT -5
This is a realization that came to me during a ceremony. From somewhere in the Bible. (Judge not least ye also be judged.) If we can not forgive someone for something that they have done to us or to someone else then we are making a judgement. Our higher-self is our true judge, WE JUDGE OURSELVES. If I can not forgive someone for something that they have done, my higher-self makes the judgement and my sub-conscious sees to it that the judgement is carried out. The day will come when I wake up to find that I am treating someone the way that I or someone else was treated. Sometimes the only way to truly forgive is to understand and the only way to understand is to become the thing you can not forgive.
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