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Post by Beingist on Jul 2, 2013 13:14:22 GMT -5
... or ignore him, or dismiss him ... ? At the risk of sounding like E, the question sounds ... misconceived. And just like when E says it, it sounds like a cop out statement! I would say that to ignore and dismiss is to reject, rather than accept or allow. Sure. Though, stating that the question is misconceived never has sounded to me like a cop-out. As far as dismissing or allowing, one will do whatever they do. As for myself, what I would likely do (but no guarantees), is likely the same thing I do with any travelling salesman--say no, thanks, and close the door.
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Post by andrew on Jul 2, 2013 13:46:50 GMT -5
And just like when E says it, it sounds like a cop out statement! I would say that to ignore and dismiss is to reject, rather than accept or allow. Sure. Though, stating that the question is misconceived never has sounded to me like a cop-out. As far as dismissing or allowing, one will do whatever they do. As for myself, what I would likely do (but no guarantees), is likely the same thing I do with any travelling salesman--say no, thanks, and close the door. aye, but there's a difference. The travelling salesman/devil is part of us. Closing the door is like splitting off part of our psyche, or trying to reject an aspect of our experience.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 2, 2013 13:54:56 GMT -5
Sure. Though, stating that the question is misconceived never has sounded to me like a cop-out. As far as dismissing or allowing, one will do whatever they do. As for myself, what I would likely do (but no guarantees), is likely the same thing I do with any travelling salesman--say no, thanks, and close the door. aye, but there's a difference. The travelling salesman/devil is part of us. Closing the door is like splitting off part of our psyche, or trying to reject an aspect of our experience. Perhaps, if you think that it's all 'psyche'. I, for one, do not. So, the idea that we're 'rejecting an aspect of experience' is simply nonsense, to me.
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Post by andrew on Jul 2, 2013 14:01:31 GMT -5
aye, but there's a difference. The travelling salesman/devil is part of us. Closing the door is like splitting off part of our psyche, or trying to reject an aspect of our experience. Perhaps, if you think that it's all 'psyche'. I, for one, do not. So, the idea that we're 'rejecting an aspect of experience' is simply nonsense, to me. I don't think its all 'psyche', what I'm talking about here is the experience of choosing, or preferring. I see that this could be said to be 'the devil' aspect to our experience, but its there all the same and trying to reject it doesn't work. Its like I said yesterday, 'unconditionality' is an ideal because conditionality is not gotten rid of. Oh, edit because I want to add, that the ability to choose can also be said to be a beautiful gift.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 2, 2013 14:14:19 GMT -5
Perhaps, if you think that it's all 'psyche'. I, for one, do not. So, the idea that we're 'rejecting an aspect of experience' is simply nonsense, to me. I don't think its all 'psyche', what I'm talking about here is the experience of choosing, or preferring. I see that this could be said to be 'the devil' aspect to our experience, but its there all the same and trying to reject it doesn't work. Its like I said yesterday, 'unconditionality' is an ideal because conditionality is not gotten rid of. Oh, edit because I want to add, that the ability to choose can also be said to be a beautiful gift. Andrew, with all due respect, you're never going to be able to communicate with me, as long as you play mental water polo. And, yes, to you, it's ALL mind. Even Being is an idea, to you. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but if Being is just an idea, it only makes sense that you would have difficulties communicating with one who calls himself Beingist.
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Post by andrew on Jul 2, 2013 14:25:16 GMT -5
I don't think its all 'psyche', what I'm talking about here is the experience of choosing, or preferring. I see that this could be said to be 'the devil' aspect to our experience, but its there all the same and trying to reject it doesn't work. Its like I said yesterday, 'unconditionality' is an ideal because conditionality is not gotten rid of. Oh, edit because I want to add, that the ability to choose can also be said to be a beautiful gift. Andrew, with all due respect, you're never going to be able to communicate with me, as long as you play mental water polo. And, yes, to you, it's ALL mind. Even Being is an idea, to you. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but if Being is just an idea, it only makes sense that you would have difficulties communicating with one who calls himself Beingist. I voted for number 3 i.e. Being and Mind are One, and I don't have a problem in some conversations with the pointer 'there is only Being'. Yes, 'Being' is an idea, but I am not saying that there is no basis for the idea. Maybe you see me as playing mental waterpolo because I won't commit to either unconditionality or conditionality. For me its not as absolute as one or the other, and yet direct experience happens here in the absence of absoluteness. I guess that would make me Beingmindest.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 2, 2013 14:29:34 GMT -5
Andrew, with all due respect, you're never going to be able to communicate with me, as long as you play mental water polo. And, yes, to you, it's ALL mind. Even Being is an idea, to you. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but if Being is just an idea, it only makes sense that you would have difficulties communicating with one who calls himself Beingist. I voted for number 3 i.e. Being and Mind are One, and I don't have a problem in some conversations with the pointer 'there is only Being'. Yes, 'Being' is an idea, but I am not saying that there is no basis for the idea. Maybe you see me as playing mental waterpolo because I won't commit to either unconditionality or conditionality. For me its not as absolute as one or the other, and yet direct experience happens here in the absence of absoluteness. No, I see you as playing mental water polo, because I see very, very little of a 'real you', as it were. It's all just what you think about yourself. I mean, say what you will about E or Reefs, they quite often show their real colors. They're in touch with Being. You're only in your head. Again, not to knock you for that. It's only that I just can't relate with that. Can't rez, at least not very often.
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Post by andrew on Jul 2, 2013 14:35:09 GMT -5
I voted for number 3 i.e. Being and Mind are One, and I don't have a problem in some conversations with the pointer 'there is only Being'. Yes, 'Being' is an idea, but I am not saying that there is no basis for the idea. Maybe you see me as playing mental waterpolo because I won't commit to either unconditionality or conditionality. For me its not as absolute as one or the other, and yet direct experience happens here in the absence of absoluteness. No, I see you as playing mental water polo, because I see very, very little of a 'real you', as it were. It's all just what you think about yourself. I mean, say what you will about E or Reefs, they quite often show their real colors. They're in touch with Being. You're only in your head. Again, not to knock you for that. It's only that I just can't relate with that. Can't rez, at least not very often. I'm not only in my head/mind, I just don't experience myself as separate FROM mind, so I see that it would seem to you that I am in my head/mind from your position as 'Beingist'.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 2, 2013 14:37:02 GMT -5
No, I see you as playing mental water polo, because I see very, very little of a 'real you', as it were. It's all just what you think about yourself. I mean, say what you will about E or Reefs, they quite often show their real colors. They're in touch with Being. You're only in your head. Again, not to knock you for that. It's only that I just can't relate with that. Can't rez, at least not very often. I'm not only in my head/mind, I just don't experience myself as separate FROM mind, so I see that it would seem to you that I am in my head/mind from your position as 'Beingist'. Fair enough.
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Post by laughter on Jul 2, 2013 14:42:23 GMT -5
My question about the vocabulary wasn't about your experience. You use those words and associate those sensations with ideas in order to make yourself heard and understood and from your perspective those words describe the phenomenon. My question was about this association. When I said that here was an underlying belief at play I was referring to an assumption that's woven into the culture that you learned your language from. My use of the exact word 'vibration' here has been mostly in relaying Abraham Hicks Teachings....that is indeed the precise word they use. My preferred word is 'energy'.....and as I shared, from the time I was a child, I could palpably 'feel' this energy, so when I spoke of 'buzzing' or 'humming' sensations coursing through my body, it was not a 'learned' language at all, but rather a reporting of what was actually being experienced. There was no 'assumption' woven into that experience due to a culture.....I was at an age where there had not yet been exposure to such language. I'm simply relaying my take on LOA......I do see that on this subject, many have jumped on the bandwagon of what are actually much deeper teachings to candy-coat the message and offer simplistic solutions. While the precise term 'Law of Attraction' may be relatively new, Teachings about the relationship between thought and form/experience, are not. The more in-depth teachings/messages are not really geared towards 'getting stuff' at all. Two that come to mind in this vein are Neville Goddard and the Seth material by Jane Roberts. You keep missing the point on my question about the vocabulary. I wonder what lexicon pre-19th century writing on clairvoyance used? ... my guess is that it didn't involve words that suggested a wave media. But anyway, regardless of what you mean relative to your personal experience, as you said, you're conveying how the LOA'ers use the word "vibration". There's an assumption embedded in this. Very deeply embedded. I'm no scholar on the subject but I'd bet that my guess on the timeframe and the events that catalyzed this would be right. Like I said, it goes back to the Golden Rule and ideas such as a "work ethic". If I envision some work that results in a piece of software or a new plumbing stack or a legal brief and then execute on that vision then the relationship is clear to see. No need to resort to mysticism to explain what's going on.
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Post by topology on Jul 2, 2013 16:41:16 GMT -5
Too much mental presupposition to even answer these questions in any kind of honest way. How am I suppose to know whether or not I am content/happy in a situation by thinking about it instead of being in it? Which values are being shared and not shared? I've often found that with respect to work, inspiration vanishes when the mud has to be slogged through. And what happened to your dangling the guarantee and now we are working with "more likely". Do you know how many dead ends I've trapped myself in because I was following my sense of "more likely?". Fallacious reasoning going on. Okay, let me try again. I am assuming that you are happy to ask and to be given what you ask for. If a genie came out of a lamp and said 'Top, I am giving you the choice between work that will consistently inspire you, and work that won't, which will you choose? I am also giving you the choice between a relationship with a woman that you will consistently adore, and a woman that you will have no particular feeling towards either way, which will you choose?' You are also free to choose neither. I already got my wish for unconditional happiness. Genie, I wish my two remaining wishes to go to Andrew, I's gots no needs for them no more.
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Post by andrew on Jul 2, 2013 16:52:20 GMT -5
Okay, let me try again. I am assuming that you are happy to ask and to be given what you ask for. If a genie came out of a lamp and said 'Top, I am giving you the choice between work that will consistently inspire you, and work that won't, which will you choose? I am also giving you the choice between a relationship with a woman that you will consistently adore, and a woman that you will have no particular feeling towards either way, which will you choose?' You are also free to choose neither. I already got my wish for unconditional happiness. Genie, I wish my two remaining wishes to go to Andrew, I's gots no needs for them no more. haha okay, thanks for playing along as far as you did.
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Post by Portto on Jul 2, 2013 16:56:30 GMT -5
I already got my wish for unconditional happiness. Genie, I wish my two remaining wishes to go to Andrew, I's gots no needs for them no more. haha okay, thanks for playing along as far as you did. You could just wish for Top to desire another wish!
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Post by andrew on Jul 2, 2013 17:03:43 GMT -5
haha okay, thanks for playing along as far as you did. You could just wish for Top to desire another wish! hehehe that's a resourcefulness that I can relate to!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 19:25:20 GMT -5
I already got my wish for unconditional happiness. Genie, I wish my two remaining wishes to go to Andrew, I's gots no needs for them no more. is there any story to tell about when that wish was granted?
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