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Jun 22, 2013 15:39:44 GMT -5
Post by silence on Jun 22, 2013 15:39:44 GMT -5
There's two Krishnamurti's to my knowledge. UGK and J Krishnamurti. UG would call J's followers Krisnamurti freaks. Indeed, I've listened to both. I tend to lean more in the direction of UG, but don't have a problem with J. Any nuggets you have from either are appreciated. "All I am saying is that the peace you are seeking is already inside you, in the harmonious functioning of the body" -UG On the surface it may seem like a rather mundane quote but if you actually hear what he's saying your entire "spiritual" world might just evaporate.
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Jun 23, 2013 10:01:30 GMT -5
Post by Beingist on Jun 23, 2013 10:01:30 GMT -5
Indeed, I've listened to both. I tend to lean more in the direction of UG, but don't have a problem with J. Any nuggets you have from either are appreciated. "All I am saying is that the peace you are seeking is already inside you, in the harmonious functioning of the body" -UG On the surface it may seem like a rather mundane quote but if you actually hear what he's saying your entire "spiritual" world might just evaporate. So that all that's left is the physical world? For me, the quote goes back to something I realized some time ago--that the functioning of the body is an example of how thought informs emotions.
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Jun 23, 2013 10:12:12 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Jun 23, 2013 10:12:12 GMT -5
Greetings..
We are traveling to where we have always been, from ignorance to enlightenment.. awareness is the vehicle..
Be well..
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Jun 23, 2013 10:13:02 GMT -5
Post by Beingist on Jun 23, 2013 10:13:02 GMT -5
Greetings.. We are traveling to where we have always been, from ignorance to enlightenment.. awareness is the vehicle.. Be well.. Hi, Tzu, Is that yours? Do you have a source on that? (Sounds kinda like Niz).
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Jun 23, 2013 11:24:40 GMT -5
Post by silence on Jun 23, 2013 11:24:40 GMT -5
Indeed, I've listened to both. I tend to lean more in the direction of UG, but don't have a problem with J. Any nuggets you have from either are appreciated. "All I am saying is that the peace you are seeking is already inside you, in the harmonious functioning of the body" -UG On the surface it may seem like a rather mundane quote but if you actually hear what he's saying your entire "spiritual" world might just evaporate. He's not offering some sort of answer but rather offering the opportunity to stop trying to run around in spiritual narnia land for ever looking for god knows what. If I recall though, he interpreted what happened to him as pysiological in that the body suddenly rejected all of his accumulated knowledge and the stranglehold of knowledge upon the body was lifted. He described it as painful and I think even went so far as to say he clinically died for a short time.
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Jun 23, 2013 11:25:24 GMT -5
Post by silence on Jun 23, 2013 11:25:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. We are traveling to where we have always been, from ignorance to enlightenment.. awareness is the vehicle.. Be well.. Hi, Tzu, Is that yours? Do you have a source on that? (Sounds kinda like Niz). That would make my day if that quote was from tzu.
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Jun 23, 2013 11:47:01 GMT -5
Post by silence on Jun 23, 2013 11:47:01 GMT -5
Here's another one for ya Beingist.
"Get this straight, this is your state I am describing, your natural state, not my state or the state of a God-realized man or a mutant or any such thing. This is your natural state, but what prevents what is there from expressing itself in its own way is your reaching out for something, trying to be something other than what you are." -UG
Edit:
Found this too. Seems highly relatable to the recent discussions:
"This is not a state of omniscience, wherein all of man's eternal questions are answered; rather it is a state in which the questioning has stopped. It has stopped because those questions have no relation to the way the organism is functioning, and the way the organism is functioning leaves no room for those questions."
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Jun 23, 2013 12:06:21 GMT -5
Post by topology on Jun 23, 2013 12:06:21 GMT -5
"All I am saying is that the peace you are seeking is already inside you, in the harmonious functioning of the body" -UG On the surface it may seem like a rather mundane quote but if you actually hear what he's saying your entire "spiritual" world might just evaporate. He's not offering some sort of answer but rather offering the opportunity to stop trying to run around in spiritual narnia land for ever looking for god knows what. If I recall though, he interpreted what happened to him as pysiological in that the body suddenly rejected all of his accumulated knowledge and the stranglehold of knowledge upon the body was lifted. He described it as painful and I think even went so far as to say he clinically died for a short time. Given that he didn't cause his event and he has no idea how to cause it in others, that raises the question of how effective it is to tell people to not waste their time. While spiritual narnia land is not it, is it an authentic realization, true shedding event, to be following UG's suggestion? Or is it just piling on another layer that eventually needs to be shed. "Well, UG says its not in spiritual narnia land, so I'm going to agree with him... yaddda yadda". If you don't know what's going to cause it, it could be that the person venturing into narnia land and feeling like they're in a parched desert is the source of the realization. Following the sign post "You're not going to find what you're looking for in here" might just delay you from realizing it yourself in an authenticate way instead of adopting the belief because someone erected a sign post saying so. Richard Rose courted the Woo Woo crowd in order to draw in the genuine seekers. He advocated leaving no stone unturned because the seeker had to burn out the seeking for themselves. There was also the practical personal benefit of being exposed to a variety of paradigms and having personal experience with the paradigms. The seeker following a sign post doesn't burn through the seeking, it just gives them a more "informed" strategy for performing the seeking.
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Jun 23, 2013 12:25:32 GMT -5
Post by Beingist on Jun 23, 2013 12:25:32 GMT -5
Here's another one for ya Beingist. "Get this straight, this is your state I am describing, your natural state, not my state or the state of a God-realized man or a mutant or any such thing. This is your natural state, but what prevents what is there from expressing itself in its own way is your reaching out for something, trying to be something other than what you are." -UG Edit: Found this too. Seems highly relatable to the recent discussions: "This is not a state of omniscience, wherein all of man's eternal questions are answered; rather it is a state in which the questioning has stopped. It has stopped because those questions have no relation to the way the organism is functioning, and the way the organism is functioning leaves no room for those questions." Yeah, I've heard the first one, before, and thought then, as now, that it was a very nice summary. The last one indeed, is appropriate to current discussions. Kinda throws me for a loop, though, at least presently, because of the use of the term 'organism' (Andrew uses this term a lot). I mean, to me, an organism is something you find in a petri dish, and such an association renders the quote nonsensical. So, my question would then be--what does he mean by organism? And then hope that such is not an 'eternal question' (for fear of someone thinking that it's 'misconceived').
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Jun 23, 2013 12:29:50 GMT -5
Post by Beingist on Jun 23, 2013 12:29:50 GMT -5
"All I am saying is that the peace you are seeking is already inside you, in the harmonious functioning of the body" -UG On the surface it may seem like a rather mundane quote but if you actually hear what he's saying your entire "spiritual" world might just evaporate. He's not offering some sort of answer but rather offering the opportunity to stop trying to run around in spiritual narnia land for ever looking for god knows what. If I recall though, he interpreted what happened to him as pysiological in that the body suddenly rejected all of his accumulated knowledge and the stranglehold of knowledge upon the body was lifted. He described it as painful and I think even went so far as to say he clinically died for a short time. Oh, right, I remember reading something about that. Yeah, I can kinda relate to that, actually. Letting go of the belief that you can know anything can be painful (though I can't say that I've gone through any sort of physical death).
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Jun 23, 2013 15:20:21 GMT -5
Post by silence on Jun 23, 2013 15:20:21 GMT -5
If I recall though, he interpreted what happened to him as pysiological in that the body suddenly rejected all of his accumulated knowledge and the stranglehold of knowledge upon the body was lifted. He described it as painful and I think even went so far as to say he clinically died for a short time. Given that he didn't cause his event and he has no idea how to cause it in others, that raises the question of how effective it is to tell people to not waste their time. While spiritual narnia land is not it, is it an authentic realization, true shedding event, to be following UG's suggestion? Or is it just piling on another layer that eventually needs to be shed. "Well, UG says its not in spiritual narnia land, so I'm going to agree with him... yaddda yadda". If you don't know what's going to cause it, it could be that the person venturing into narnia land and feeling like they're in a parched desert is the source of the realization. Following the sign post "You're not going to find what you're looking for in here" might just delay you from realizing it yourself in an authenticate way instead of adopting the belief because someone erected a sign post saying so. [/quote] Pointing out the hopelessness of the situation is not the same as suggesting one suppress their spiritual OCD behavior or agree with it and make it into a belief. At the end of the day people are going to do whatever it is they're going to do and "effectiveness" can basically be thrown in the garbage. Richard Rose courted the Woo Woo crowd in order to draw in the genuine seekers. He advocated leaving no stone unturned because the seeker had to burn out the seeking for themselves. There was also the practical personal benefit of being exposed to a variety of paradigms and having personal experience with the paradigms. The seeker following a sign post doesn't burn through the seeking, it just gives them a more "informed" strategy for performing the seeking. Since we're on the topic of suggestions, I would suggest people run as fast as possible from someone trying to court seekers.
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Jun 23, 2013 15:22:30 GMT -5
Post by silence on Jun 23, 2013 15:22:30 GMT -5
Here's another one for ya Beingist. "Get this straight, this is your state I am describing, your natural state, not my state or the state of a God-realized man or a mutant or any such thing. This is your natural state, but what prevents what is there from expressing itself in its own way is your reaching out for something, trying to be something other than what you are." -UG Edit: Found this too. Seems highly relatable to the recent discussions: "This is not a state of omniscience, wherein all of man's eternal questions are answered; rather it is a state in which the questioning has stopped. It has stopped because those questions have no relation to the way the organism is functioning, and the way the organism is functioning leaves no room for those questions." Yeah, I've heard the first one, before, and thought then, as now, that it was a very nice summary. The last one indeed, is appropriate to current discussions. Kinda throws me for a loop, though, at least presently, because of the use of the term 'organism' (Andrew uses this term a lot). I mean, to me, an organism is something you find in a petri dish, and such an association renders the quote nonsensical. So, my question would then be--what does he mean by organism? And then hope that such is not an 'eternal question' (for fear of someone thinking that it's 'misconceived'). Organism? Body/mind, the whole deally sitting there breathing and typing on a computer I'd say. Don't think it needs to be a complex matter.
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Jun 23, 2013 15:24:13 GMT -5
Post by Beingist on Jun 23, 2013 15:24:13 GMT -5
If I recall though, he interpreted what happened to him as pysiological in that the body suddenly rejected all of his accumulated knowledge and the stranglehold of knowledge upon the body was lifted. He described it as painful and I think even went so far as to say he clinically died for a short time. Given that he didn't cause his event and he has no idea how to cause it in others, that raises the question of how effective it is to tell people to not waste their time. While spiritual narnia land is not it, is it an authentic realization, true shedding event, to be following UG's suggestion? Or is it just piling on another layer that eventually needs to be shed. "Well, UG says its not in spiritual narnia land, so I'm going to agree with him... yaddda yadda". If you don't know what's going to cause it, it could be that the person venturing into narnia land and feeling like they're in a parched desert is the source of the realization. Following the sign post "You're not going to find what you're looking for in here" might just delay you from realizing it yourself in an authenticate way instead of adopting the belief because someone erected a sign post saying so. Pointing out the hopelessness of the situation is not the same as suggesting one suppress their spiritual OCD behavior or agree with it and make it into a belief. At the end of the day people are going to do whatever it is they're going to do and "effectiveness" can basically be thrown in the garbage. Richard Rose courted the Woo Woo crowd in order to draw in the genuine seekers. He advocated leaving no stone unturned because the seeker had to burn out the seeking for themselves. There was also the practical personal benefit of being exposed to a variety of paradigms and having personal experience with the paradigms. The seeker following a sign post doesn't burn through the seeking, it just gives them a more "informed" strategy for performing the seeking. Since we're on the topic of suggestions, I would suggest people run as fast as possible from someone trying to court seekers.[/quote] Agreed, as long as you don't throw them under the bus in the process.
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Jun 23, 2013 15:29:31 GMT -5
Post by Beingist on Jun 23, 2013 15:29:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I've heard the first one, before, and thought then, as now, that it was a very nice summary. The last one indeed, is appropriate to current discussions. Kinda throws me for a loop, though, at least presently, because of the use of the term 'organism' (Andrew uses this term a lot). I mean, to me, an organism is something you find in a petri dish, and such an association renders the quote nonsensical. So, my question would then be--what does he mean by organism? And then hope that such is not an 'eternal question' (for fear of someone thinking that it's 'misconceived'). Organism? Body/mind, the whole deally sitting there breathing and typing on a computer I'd say. Don't think it needs to be a complex matter. Sorry. The whole universe could qualify as an 'organism'. Okay, so UG's quote... ... would effective translate into "stop asking eternal questions, because they have nothing to do with the way your body is functioning?" If so, I get it. In fact, I've been recently pondering if my latest venture into eating more vegetables has to do with the fact that I'm listening more to the body.
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Jun 23, 2013 15:33:24 GMT -5
Post by silence on Jun 23, 2013 15:33:24 GMT -5
Organism? Body/mind, the whole deally sitting there breathing and typing on a computer I'd say. Don't think it needs to be a complex matter. Sorry. The whole universe could qualify as an 'organism'. Okay, so UG's quote... ... would effective translate into "stop asking eternal questions, because they have nothing to do with the way your body is functioning?" If so, I get it. In fact, I've been recently pondering if my latest venture into eating more vegetables has to do with the fact that I'm listening more to the body. No, it's not any type of suggestion. It's just a description of what's happening for him.
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