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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:27:35 GMT -5
I could say the same about you, that you have made up your mind, that you think you have found the unimaginable. This isn't about me..............try and resist that thought because it's getting old that whenever there is a chance of a real discussion that people turn to trying to find fault in the other. Not a matter of finding fault. It's just a matter of how we express what we see as 'what in blazes is going on' (to borrow a phrase). No for many it seems that to make a discussion about the person instead of what is being discussed is a way to support their own views, even if they don't see them as views. So i don't want this to go there.
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:29:21 GMT -5
I can challenge them because they were my asumptions at one time. That makes it a piece o' cake for you. (Make mine strawberry) - speaking of produce, are you able to grow anything now in your hothouse or your house? What happens in wintertime? Anything? I am going to try 'early' tomatoes this year in order to get them out of the greenhouse before it becomes an inferno. The seeds are growing as we speak. Can't wait!
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:31:00 GMT -5
I see it more as we are all trying to eliminate this struggle you mention so we create alternate realities such as creating the reason for them being a separate self. You have found a way to eliminate struggle but it is no different than me finding a way to deal with emptiness, by creating my reality. That's all, nothing more and nothing universally so. There is something still trying, yeah. Habits of mind being triggered by daily remembrances. All kinds of things are being thrown out there by the mind to give it something to relate to, hold on to, give it something to react to to perpetuate "its" experience. It is all just happening though. Look at what happens when you don't think twice. What you thought you were, the ego, was working well enough. It appears something else has been seen that has undermined the central role of the ego. What was that? Why is there bewilderment after this seeing? The power of the ego over the moment is dying. By simple force of habit, there is still "identifying with it" and "feelings for it" happening. By doing so, it appears that there's lamenting, sorrow, feelings for what is, KNOWINGLY, no longer "substantial", empty. There's a residue, a trace of something that has already gone now. It never was; it was more of a misunderstanding that "something" was there to begin with. You're just noticing the 'me' fading. Good riddance. Nope, it's not that. Did your 'me' fade away? If so, what's that like? If not, why suggest that it is what is happening?
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:36:09 GMT -5
Like Beingst, I think WS has made up his mind. He has chosen to believe "it makes no sense" because he's searched and hasn't found anything that makes sense. He is now holding onto "it makes no sense" so strongly, that I doubt any words can turn his attention away from that idea. That's perfectly so. I only suggest that other people consider how believing in any idea keeps one trapped in the mind. For anyone trapped in mind there is no willingness to turn attention to anything that might lie beyond mind. It's a bit like a hermit crab who says, "I'm happy inside my shell, even though it isn't very roomy or comfortable, and nothing is going to pull me out of here." This is the cigarette-man koan in a different guise. The CM is very attached to oneness/emptiness, and no matter what you say to him, he will hit you. He is very strong. How can you teach the CM? If you penetrate this koan, you will understand what to do. *** Niz huffin' and puffin' *** "That ZD hillbilly is making fun of me again... where are those f***ing matches when you need them... I'm going to teach him a lesson in huffin' and puffin'..." No, I've stopped searching and all that makes is that nothing makes sense except the sense i give it. So I'm just looking and reporting what I see. It's not about me...if you think it is then that makes the fact that you think it is about me to be about you.
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Post by Beingist on Mar 21, 2013 21:37:12 GMT -5
Not a matter of finding fault. It's just a matter of how we express what we see as 'what in blazes is going on' (to borrow a phrase). No for many it seems that to make a discussion about the person instead of what is being discussed is a way to support their own views, even if they don't see them as views. So i don't want this to go there. Okay. Have fun!
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Post by someNOTHING! on Mar 21, 2013 21:37:14 GMT -5
That makes it a piece o' cake for you. (Make mine strawberry) - speaking of produce, are you able to grow anything now in your hothouse or your house? What happens in wintertime? Anything? I am going to try 'early' tomatoes this year in order to get them out of the greenhouse before it becomes an inferno. The seeds are growing as we speak. Can't wait! Well, that makes sense. Stick widdat. Nature's naturally hardcore.
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:38:27 GMT -5
What problem? It's not a problem that nothing makes sense. It just sucks. There's something that you think sucks, and you don't think that's a problem? No, meaning it doesn't affect me or my life. I have a great life. it just means I secretly wish it was different than what I am seeing.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Mar 21, 2013 21:38:51 GMT -5
There is something still trying, yeah. Habits of mind being triggered by daily remembrances. All kinds of things are being thrown out there by the mind to give it something to relate to, hold on to, give it something to react to to perpetuate "its" experience. It is all just happening though. Look at what happens when you don't think twice. What you thought you were, the ego, was working well enough. It appears something else has been seen that has undermined the central role of the ego. What was that? Why is there bewilderment after this seeing? The power of the ego over the moment is dying. By simple force of habit, there is still "identifying with it" and "feelings for it" happening. By doing so, it appears that there's lamenting, sorrow, feelings for what is, KNOWINGLY, no longer "substantial", empty. There's a residue, a trace of something that has already gone now. It never was; it was more of a misunderstanding that "something" was there to begin with. You're just noticing the 'me' fading. Good riddance. Nope, it's not that. Did your 'me' fade away? If so, what's that like? If not, why suggest that it is what is happening? -ing
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:40:02 GMT -5
I am going to try 'early' tomatoes this year in order to get them out of the greenhouse before it becomes an inferno. The seeds are growing as we speak. Can't wait! Well, that makes sense. Stick widdat. Nature's naturally hardcore. Yeh, she introduced me to "late blight" last year..............lol
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:41:51 GMT -5
No not my intent. I'd rather see otherwise. Not sure what the pounding feet thing is about s. I will say this as a suggestion for having a meaningful conversation...............don't make it about me. Let's discuss, rather, why life is wonderful for you. It seems maybe that you are agreeing with what I have found and that is that if you want it to be joyful then it will. but as i said earlier, this doesn't change how in so many ways, ti sucks for others. It does in a small way but life doesn't care either way. Axshooly, it was about me. Trying to find 'intent' behind my words is trying to make it about me...............IMO anyways. That was what I meant by saying that.
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:45:39 GMT -5
If you're looking for something beyond this, you will find absolutely nothing. If you're willing to accept that this is it, you will find everything. I'm pretty sure that's what peeps are finding unimaginable. **Pounding feet on ground** Not sure about that.............I've heard you say that you are 'that' (something like that). I've heard ZD see the "father" in everything and talk about "heaven". I'd say that detailed discussion with anyone here will reveal a substitiute for the nothing I see.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Mar 21, 2013 21:47:27 GMT -5
There's something that you think sucks, and you don't think that's a problem? No, meaning it doesn't affect me or my life. I have a great life. it just means I secretly wish it was different than what I am seeing. Sounds like you want meaning to have a different affect (hint: you're looking for something 'more' in light of a fad-ING sense of perspective). What WAS important to some BS notion of whatever it is you thought you were, is dying. Deal with it, see it for what it isn't, and THEN you can let it go. Until then, whatever it is you thought you were is just drawing conclusions, and you unconsciouly kinda snorta still believe the conclusions.
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:48:24 GMT -5
Been there, done that, different result. Why is that? You don't seem to be willing now. It's not about me. It's about what I see, just looking, no expectations, filters or motives.
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:50:56 GMT -5
Thanks Andrew...............minus the particulars of your way of looking at things, i do the same thing. Not because i want to but because it is what is left after seeing thru to not knowing anything. Creating your reality consciously. The problem is, for me, it doesn't always bring peace and it seems almost selfish when considering my part in the whole. Kinda like i am living in my own world. It makes the rest of the world look insane....lol It IS insane. Seriously. Funny thing about that observation........while I agree, it is mostly insane in the spiritual circles. When those little kids were shot in their elementary school, the things people here said made me want to go into the mountains and become a monk.
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Post by whiteshaman on Mar 21, 2013 21:52:19 GMT -5
I see it more as we are all trying to eliminate this struggle you mention so we create alternate realities such as creating the reason for them being a separate self. You have found a way to eliminate struggle but it is no different than me finding a way to deal with emptiness, by creating my reality. That's all, nothing more and nothing universally so. You think struggle happens and then we create a separate self to explain why? No, i think we cannot deal with reality, what I see, so we don't
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