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Post by enigma on Nov 18, 2012 19:48:56 GMT -5
How do you know? Are you going to teach everybody the true nature of the world? Are you the judge of what's true? Are you? (I am sure, you won't answer) You didn't answer the question. Your whole world is a projection, and you think you know so much about it.
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Post by arisha on Nov 18, 2012 19:50:35 GMT -5
It seems to me Enigma gets inspired when he can use the opportunity to make somebody feel bad. That's a needlessly cruel thing to say. You can call it as you want. Analyze your own posts better. I didn't mean to be cruel. I am sorry. Your needlessly hurting others with your "truths" feels the same, remember. Even if you think it's a truth it is not good to hurt others with it. And what you think is truth is not necessarily really a truth, - so, it is even worse to hurt others with your questionable truth.
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Post by enigma on Nov 18, 2012 19:51:18 GMT -5
You twisted my words. I've only ever asked for one example. Is that the sort of twisting/distortion you're talking about Arisha? You mean you didn't ask - no demand that we provide examples? Oh, okay( ) One example. I'm sorry, but just one is so caustic/toxic I can't even get near it. Are you joking again or are you really that unconscious?
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Post by silver on Nov 18, 2012 19:56:04 GMT -5
You mean you didn't ask - no demand that we provide examples? Oh, okay( ) One example. I'm sorry, but just one is so caustic/toxic I can't even get near it. Are you joking again or are you really that unconscious? I have no idea what you're talking about here.
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Post by enigma on Nov 18, 2012 19:56:20 GMT -5
Ah, so you did. Dang! I was convinced that it wasn't possible for my perception to be wrong. How am I going to be the Harbinger of Truth this way? I have said that. Does that imply to you that I am here to make peeps feel bad? If a person doesn't feel particularly good, and given the fact that we are humans, which definitely signifies that we have a nice wide range of possible emotions that can vary in a short period of time, it means that when we aren't feeling good, we're either neutral or feeling on the bad side of the scale. But I say there's every indication that when you make such statements, it seems to heavily imply that to feel bad is to be in a learning state / frame of mind, or something like that. There's never a reason for you to feel bad. You do that to yourself, and all I do is talk about the ways in which you do that. Not to make you feel bad, but just so that you can notice. You want to make what I do seem so dark and devious, but it's sooo simple and obvious and completely transparent.
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Post by arisha on Nov 18, 2012 19:56:43 GMT -5
Are you? (I am sure, you won't answer) You didn't answer the question. Your whole world is a projection, and you think you know so much about it. You see, you didn't answer. Am I the judge of what's true? Sure, I am. In my personal space. And I don't teach everybody about the true nature of the world. Only if they ask me, and I see they are ready for it.[/quote] [/quote]
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Post by enigma on Nov 18, 2012 19:58:18 GMT -5
Are you joking again or are you really that unconscious? I have no idea what you're talking about here. I guess that answers my question.
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Post by topology on Nov 18, 2012 20:00:08 GMT -5
No, silver, she is characterizing all people who use NLP. It's not what it CAN be used for in her expression, it's what it is ALWAYS used for, and that is why I am objecting to the misrepresentation and mischaracterization. I think in at least 1 or more different ways and instances, she's pointed at how it is (purportedly) being used here, on this forum, at least that seems clear enough to me that she's not saying all people who use NLP misuse it. If I didn't know better, I'd say this is your own sly way of taking sides...and perhaps you don't realize it just yet. Lots of things get suggested around here and that's all I'm doing is suggesting that... What side would you like me to be on, Silver? You can put me on whatever side makes you feel the happiest. But I will continue to point out fallacious statements. Here's what Arisha wrote but with the categories changed to illuminate the thoughtform: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=misc&action=display&thread=2502&page=1#ixzz2CcpiiZL7The issue I'm pointing at is artificially defining "NLP guy" to be a villain. Just like in my example, I artificially defined a black person to be a villain. It's an absolute disrespect to anyone who explores or uses NLP with no intent to use or abuse others.
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Post by enigma on Nov 18, 2012 20:00:16 GMT -5
You didn't answer the question. Your whole world is a projection, and you think you know so much about it. You see, you didn't answer. Am I the judge of what's true? Sure, I am. In my personal space. And I don't teach everybody about the true nature of the world. Only if they ask me, and I see they are ready for it. [/quote][/quote] I don't think anybody is quite ready for you, Arisha.
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Post by silver on Nov 18, 2012 20:02:28 GMT -5
If a person doesn't feel particularly good, and given the fact that we are humans, which definitely signifies that we have a nice wide range of possible emotions that can vary in a short period of time, it means that when we aren't feeling good, we're either neutral or feeling on the bad side of the scale. But I say there's every indication that when you make such statements, it seems to heavily imply that to feel bad is to be in a learning state / frame of mind, or something like that. There's never a reason for you to feel bad. You do that to yourself, and all I do is talk about the ways in which you do that. Not to make you feel bad, but just so that you can notice. You want to make what I do seem so dark and devious, but it's sooo simple and obvious and completely transparent. I think you should take Arisha's advice and be a better analyser of your own posts. Because, I gotta tell ya. Your posts are anything but simple and transparent/clear. You gotta realize just how much energy goes into one's posts.....to me, anyway, you come across as always in heavy-warning mode and almost always with the warning that you're not here to make people feel good. How else is one supposed to read that, sir? I find your posts perplexing, more often than not.
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Post by silver on Nov 18, 2012 20:08:04 GMT -5
I think in at least 1 or more different ways and instances, she's pointed at how it is (purportedly) being used here, on this forum, at least that seems clear enough to me that she's not saying all people who use NLP misuse it. If I didn't know better, I'd say this is your own sly way of taking sides...and perhaps you don't realize it just yet. Lots of things get suggested around here and that's all I'm doing is suggesting that... What side would you like me to be on, Silver? You can put me on whatever side makes you feel the happiest. But I will continue to point out fallacious statements. Here's what Arisha wrote but with the categories changed to illuminate the thoughtform: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=misc&action=display&thread=2502&page=1#ixzz2CcpiiZL7The issue I'm pointing at is artificially defining "NLP guy" to be a villain. Just like in my example, I artificially defined a black person to be a villain. It's an absolute disrespect to anyone who explores or uses NLP with no intent to use or abuse others. I assure you, and I'm 99.9999% positive that you know that's not the point I tried to make (putting you on the side that makes me 'happiest'). You've got to know that Arisha didn't say it nor mean it like that. That's certainly not the way I took it.....which leads to the subject of choosing to read 'between the lines' or read things and thereafter interpret it and slanting it in the direction one so desires, subtly or otherwise...
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Post by arisha on Nov 18, 2012 20:10:19 GMT -5
You see, you didn't answer. Am I the judge of what's true? Sure, I am. In my personal space. And I don't teach everybody about the true nature of the world. Only if they ask me, and I see they are ready for it. I don't think anybody is quite ready for you, Arisha. [/quote] Not for me, but for the true nature of the world.
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Post by silver on Nov 18, 2012 20:21:05 GMT -5
You see, you didn't answer. Am I the judge of what's true? Sure, I am. In my personal space. And I don't teach everybody about the true nature of the world. Only if they ask me, and I see they are ready for it. [/quote] I don't think anybody is quite ready for you, Arisha. [/quote] What an interesting 'suggestion' ~ kinda trancy-like isn't it? But of course, it's meant in a lighthearted way...........
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Post by arisha on Nov 18, 2012 20:53:18 GMT -5
What side would you like me to be on, Silver? You can put me on whatever side makes you feel the happiest. But I will continue to point out fallacious statements. Here's what Arisha wrote but with the categories changed to illuminate the thoughtform: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=misc&action=display&thread=2502&page=1#ixzz2CcpiiZL7The issue I'm pointing at is artificially defining "NLP guy" to be a villain. Just like in my example, I artificially defined a black person to be a villain. It's an absolute disrespect to anyone who explores or uses NLP with no intent to use or abuse others. I assure you, and I'm 99.9999% positive that you know that's not the point I tried to make (putting you on the side that makes me 'happiest'). You've got to know that Arisha didn't say it nor mean it like that. That's certainly not the way I took it.....which leads to the subject of choosing to read 'between the lines' or read things and thereafter interpret it and slanting it in the direction one so desires, subtly or otherwise... I have to add, Silver, that the definition of a black person given in a frame doesn't belong to me: "My definition of the black person : a gang banger who rapes , murders, steals, and is not able to see how detrimental they are to society." I have never said anything like that anywhere. I cannot believe my eyes. It is given in a form of a citation which belongs to me, but it is not mine, and it is used as a kind of a provocation. Now, I will be probably said that this quotatio which doesn't belong to me, exists only in my imagination. What a perfect example of the unethical method!
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Post by silver on Nov 18, 2012 21:02:55 GMT -5
I assure you, and I'm 99.9999% positive that you know that's not the point I tried to make (putting you on the side that makes me 'happiest'). You've got to know that Arisha didn't say it nor mean it like that. That's certainly not the way I took it.....which leads to the subject of choosing to read 'between the lines' or read things and thereafter interpret it and slanting it in the direction one so desires, subtly or otherwise... I have to add, Silver, that the definition of a black person given in a frame doesn't belong to me. I have never said anything like that anywhere. It is given in a form of a citation which belongs to me, but it is not mine, and it is used as a kind of a provocation. Now, I will be probably said that this citation which doesn't belong to me, exists only in my imagination. What a perfect example of the unethical method! Yes, I realize that it wasn't you who said that example of a black person. It makes me wonder about some of the boys around here. Makes me wonder what I'm doing here. Maybe farmer had the right idea...
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