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Post by andrew on Feb 25, 2012 16:57:20 GMT -5
Can I take that as a yes? No. I can't say it any clearer this: If you say there is a monster under my bed then I look under my bed to see if there really is a monster there. So you decide whether the idea that there is a monster under your bed is true or false based on what is seen. What about unicorns or dragons in the world? Is that a definite 'false' in the same way the monster under the bed is?
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Post by enigma on Feb 25, 2012 17:01:46 GMT -5
Hehe. But what if it just happened to be using the bathroom when you're looking under the bed?? Good question. A recently moved body is detectable by its graviton particle residue in subspace, which is what the quantum-entropy detector is scanning. Okay, I think it's a good plan, then.
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Post by question on Feb 25, 2012 17:02:27 GMT -5
No. I can't say it any clearer this: If you say there is a monster under my bed then I look under my bed to see if there really is a monster there. So you decide whether the idea that there is a monster under your bed is true or false based on what is seen. No. No.
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Post by andrew on Feb 25, 2012 17:04:02 GMT -5
So you decide whether the idea that there is a monster under your bed is true or false based on what is seen. No. No. Help me out here Q! On what basis do you decide the idea that there is a monster beneath your bed is false then?
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Post by question on Feb 25, 2012 17:05:53 GMT -5
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Post by andrew on Feb 25, 2012 17:10:22 GMT -5
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Post by question on Feb 25, 2012 17:13:28 GMT -5
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Post by andrew on Feb 25, 2012 17:15:28 GMT -5
But there is a judgement made that the idea (about the monster beneath the bed) is false isnt there? On what basis would you say that judgement is made?
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Post by question on Feb 25, 2012 17:22:54 GMT -5
But there is a judgement made that the idea (about the monster beneath the bed) is false isnt there? No. No basis.
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Post by andrew on Feb 25, 2012 17:25:41 GMT -5
But there is a judgement made that the idea (about the monster beneath the bed) is false isnt there? No. No basis. Furry muff
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Post by question on Feb 25, 2012 17:26:35 GMT -5
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 25, 2012 17:47:54 GMT -5
My computer is behaving strangely, every time I go to 'page 2' it logs me out so I am having to reply on page but I then cant see exactly what you said. I'm the same. There has to be the potential of reward in order for there to be effort. I have to see clearly WHY I am doing something in order to do it. There has to be some kind of point/purpose to it. Out of interest then, what reward would you be willing to put a lot of effort into achieving? Happiness? Nirvana? Being present? Peace? No more thought? I don't know what nirvana is. I don't care about 'being present' and 'no more thought'. I'm not sure about happiness and peace, I'd say that safety is much more important to me... and really the source of feeling safe to me is money, if I have a lot of money then I feel safe. No, the reason I bother with this is that I'm very competetive/neurotic, to me the world is a jungle. So if someone says something that questions me then I feel threatened and must have what they have or at least I must crush them. I tried to intellectually crush this enlightenment thing but I figured that they really do have something that I don't have and so I must have it, but I can't, because I don't even know what it is that they have and they won't tell me in a way that it makes any sense. And so the circle is now closed and you can see why I hate this whole nonduality business, all it did to me is it increased my neurosis. I've always hated myself and now I hate myself even more... thanks spiritualteachers.org. I know this sounds f*cked up, but that's how I think, just being honest s'all. I don't understand/believe people who say that they are looking for Truth and Peace and whatnot, I think that's total bs, but hey maybe they do, who knows, but I'd bet that the majority of seekers are really seeking for similar reasons as mine. (That is, of course, unless they actually did have an awakening experience, in that case the situation would be entirely different.) question, every day you wake up, you are putting a question to the universe. What you are, what you wish to be, is the question. In my 59 years, I have found it to be the case that the universe always answers....sometimes more quickly, sometimes less quickly. Now, some have learned that we can ask directly, but just verbally asking isn't the real question. The real question is always the center of gravity of our being. Our being attracts our life. What we see in life is God holding up a mirror. You know how you can pull on your bottom eyelid and pull to the side it creates a double-image in your vision?, you see double. When we have ego-wants and essence wishes, we see double. If you can clarify what it is you actually want, to yourself, you stop seeing double, and the universe delivers. sdp
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Post by klaus on Feb 25, 2012 18:21:17 GMT -5
Question,
The only way out for you is if you go stark raving -mad. You'll wake up one day and nothing will make any sense any more. Logic, concepts etc. will be totally useless.
You won't remember who or what you are even if you just keep repeating your name to try to keep your sanity it will be useless.
Of course you might not come through it and stay insane but you'll never be able to go back to your world of logic.
There are no guarantees.
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Post by question on Feb 25, 2012 19:04:26 GMT -5
Question, The only way out for you is if you go stark raving -mad. You'll wake up one day and nothing will make any sense any more. Logic, concepts etc. will be totally useless. You won't remember who or what you are even if you just keep repeating your name to try to keep your sanity it will be useless. Of course you might not come through it and stay insane but you'll never be able to go back to your world of logic. There are no guarantees. It's really frustrating that you guys constantly get hung up on that strawman of yours... "haha Question is so lolololological." I told you guys already that I'm super duper wide open to all kinds of possibilities, sure they have to pass a minor bs test, but I'm definitely open to this whole enlightenment thingy, why else would I stick around for so long? I'm open to all kinds of practises and non-practises, surrenderings and attendings and non-thinkings etc. I even agree with you on almost all points... how else would it be possible if not for the fact that I'm open minded and not at all rigid in my so called logic? To recommend that I go mad just completely misses the point and isn't even remotely helpful. It's like you haven't been reading my story at all and just wanted to take a dump into this toilet of a thread. I find it a bit disrespectful. Not that I don't deserve disrespect, I just didn't expect it to come from you, Klaus.
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Post by enigma on Feb 25, 2012 19:32:02 GMT -5
I don't know what nirvana is. I don't care about 'being present' and 'no more thought'. I'm not sure about happiness and peace, I'd say that safety is much more important to me... and really the source of feeling safe to me is money, if I have a lot of money then I feel safe. No, the reason I bother with this is that I'm very competetive/neurotic, to me the world is a jungle. So if someone says something that questions me then I feel threatened and must have what they have or at least I must crush them. I tried to intellectually crush this enlightenment thing but I figured that they really do have something that I don't have and so I must have it, but I can't, because I don't even know what it is that they have and they won't tell me in a way that it makes any sense. And so the circle is now closed and you can see why I hate this whole nonduality business, all it did to me is it increased my neurosis. I've always hated myself and now I hate myself even more... thanks spiritualteachers.org. I know this sounds f*cked up, but that's how I think, just being honest s'all. I don't understand/believe people who say that they are looking for Truth and Peace and whatnot, I think that's total bs, but hey maybe they do, who knows, but I'd bet that the majority of seekers are really seeking for similar reasons as mine. (That is, of course, unless they actually did have an awakening experience, in that case the situation would be entirely different.) question, every day you wake up, you are putting a question to the universe. What you are, what you wish to be, is the question. In my 59 years, I have found it to be the case that the universe always answers....sometimes more quickly, sometimes less quickly. Now, some have learned that we can ask directly, but just verbally asking isn't the real question. The real question is always the center of gravity of our being. Our being attracts our life. What we see in life is God holding up a mirror. You know how you can pull on your bottom eyelid and pull to the side it creates a double-image in your vision?, you see double. When we have ego-wants and essence wishes, we see double. If you can clarify what it is you actually want, to yourself, you stop seeing double, and the universe delivers. sdp 'Essence' doesn't want something. Perhaps we could say there is a focus of attention or interest, and a framework in which that focus is formed, and this determines what appears. 'Want' is also one of those appearances. A seeming conflict of wants is also an appearance.
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