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Post by andytheone on Jul 5, 2011 11:32:26 GMT -5
well i got tied up and robbed of my life savings which ended me up totally losing it and ending up in a psych ward for evaluation
Ive been down the road as far as i can go and still be alive, i know what enlightenment would be and i don't think you would be able to function in the world after it, saying there is no true self is the simple truth for me and that little sentence has driven me further and further
so that's as far as i can go the only thing i can do now is to keep killing time until my time ends
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Post by karen on Jul 5, 2011 17:24:09 GMT -5
I'm sorry that happened to you. All you can do now is just deal with life as it comes, which sounds a lot like what you said.
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Post by klaus on Jul 5, 2011 20:23:27 GMT -5
we're all going to lose EVERYTHING sooner or later. there is no advantage in having EVERYTHING or losing EVERYTHING. IT just IS.
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Post by Portto on Jul 5, 2011 22:54:36 GMT -5
we're all going to lose EVERYTHING sooner or later. We only lose the thoughts. Everything else remains the same.
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Post by therealfake on Jul 6, 2011 9:31:00 GMT -5
well i got tied up and robbed of my life savings which ended me up totally losing it and ending up in a psych ward for evaluation Ive been down the road as far as i can go and still be alive, i know what enlightenment would be and i don't think you would be able to function in the world after it, saying there is no true self is the simple truth for me and that little sentence has driven me further and further so that's as far as i can go the only thing i can do now is to keep killing time until my time ends What was the result of your psyche evaluation, if you care to share?
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Post by Peter on Jul 6, 2011 10:52:32 GMT -5
we're all going to lose EVERYTHING sooner or later. We only lose the thoughts. Everything else remains the same. You don't think you lose everything including thoughts when you die? P
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Post by andytheone on Jul 6, 2011 11:01:16 GMT -5
my evaluation was that i have lost my fear of death or something like that, i think they put it that i have lost my limiting factors so i could go thought with something like suicide without fear of consequences
try explaining to someone there is no true you and the thing that is actually you seems to look through you but has no weight or substance you can weight
i gave them both barrels, for 3 hours and the let me out
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Post by Peter on Jul 6, 2011 11:31:13 GMT -5
well i got tied up and robbed of my life savings which ended me up totally losing it and ending up in a psych ward for evaluation Hi Andy. Also very sorry to hear that you were robbed. I'm interested that you were 33 when you "lost it". It's an auspicious number. There are people who interpret the Crucifixion of Christ as an allegory for Gnostic initiation and see the "fact" of him being 33 at the time as significant - in the same way as there are 33 degrees of Freemasonry. I was also 33 when I thought I'd gained Enlightenment and ended up spending a week in a psych ward. Drank a lot of tea. Not fun, although talking to the other inmates was much more helpful than talking to the Doctors. Does your nickname here relate to either The Matrix or the Jet Li film The One? Cheers, Peter
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Post by andytheone on Jul 6, 2011 13:17:48 GMT -5
nickname relates nothing rely maybe the matrix but i have used it for years on different forums
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Post by therealfake on Jul 6, 2011 14:09:13 GMT -5
my evaluation was that i have lost my fear of death or something like that, i think they put it that i have lost my limiting factors so i could go thought with something like suicide without fear of consequences try explaining to someone there is no true you and the thing that is actually you seems to look through you but has no weight or substance you can weight i gave them both barrels, for 3 hours and the let me out You gave them both barrels and they 'still' let you out???
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Post by andytheone on Jul 6, 2011 17:04:12 GMT -5
i explained the enlightenment stuff to them for 3 hours and they still let me out
i explained there is no true self, that underlying the ego we are the same thing, that we must be because we are part of the universe not separate from it,
and if i was you and you where me, would i still be me or would i be you
so the true self is nothing but the observer behind the observer
i explained my experience of oneness no self union with the universe, the void a past life reliving,
understanding of everything in our society is based on idea and enough people believing what they are told from money to what life is without understanding a critical point
in the end of the day no one knows anything for sure
i know 33 has meaning and i only turned 33 in may so bit more than coincidence there maybe
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Post by enigma on Jul 6, 2011 21:18:00 GMT -5
Being robbed, in the way I think you mean, is also auspicious, so I can't say I'm sorry. There is irony that a realization that should by all rights denote freedom from an imaginary suppressor can instead become more oppressive, but perhaps this is because the robber missed something of value.
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Post by question on Jul 7, 2011 13:29:49 GMT -5
we're all going to lose EVERYTHING sooner or later. We only lose the thoughts. Everything else remains the same. If you assume that thoughts can be lost, then it's because you think that they are things. If you believe that there are things, then you must also believe that the realm of thingness isn't exhausted by specifically thoughts, iow there must be other things that are other than thoughts. Now why would you think that of all those things only thought-things can be lost and not all the other ten thousand things? So if you think that you can lose thoughts, then you must think that you can lose the ten thousand things. And thus "everything else" does not remain the same.
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Post by Portto on Jul 7, 2011 17:29:00 GMT -5
We only lose the thoughts. Everything else remains the same. You don't think you lose everything including thoughts when you die? P You only lose the reference points for those thoughts, including memories which are thoughts hanging on the same reference center. The body that we talk about vanishes as well, but the 'real body' is unchanged.
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Post by Portto on Jul 7, 2011 17:35:05 GMT -5
We only lose the thoughts. Everything else remains the same. If you assume that thoughts can be lost, then it's because you think that they are things. If you believe that there are things, then you must also believe that the realm of thingness isn't exhausted by specifically thoughts, iow there must be other things that are other than thoughts. Now why would you think that of all those things only thought-things can be lost and not all the other ten thousand things? So if you think that you can lose thoughts, then you must think that you can lose the ten thousand things. And thus "everything else" does not remain the same. Thoughts are things like all the other things. Thoughts and things are reflections of the 'real world,' a tiny focus/reference/view points. The viewpoints come to an end, but you're not a viewpoint. The 'real world' remains the same.
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