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May 11, 2011 18:35:55 GMT -5
Post by teetown on May 11, 2011 18:35:55 GMT -5
b. Since awakening transcends time, no practice that occurs in time can bring about awakening. Thus most practices do not bring about awakening. ; Yet, some practices seem to correlate with awakening, don't they?
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May 11, 2011 18:56:25 GMT -5
Post by waddicalwabbit on May 11, 2011 18:56:25 GMT -5
there are some practices that are good for negation, "what i am not" and others that use that are helpful for inquiry, as in "Is it really true that if I get older no one will love me?" or "what is this moment trying to tell me?" In addition many people find it helpful to meditate regardless what you might hear because it's the only time they get quiet enough to listen attentively to where their mind is taking them and because slow deep breathing is very lovely. Will these things LEAD to awakening? Ummm. I would say that it more accurately might be said that they will lead to greater awareness. Richard Rose used to say that Enlightenment was a matter of luck so surround yourself with all of the luck you can. (I KNOW someone here will provide the correct quote!). :-) Bottom line, some aspects of 'doing' ARE valuable on this journey for sure (in my humble opinion). The trick is knowing when you are doing something valuable and knowing when you're fooling yourself by trying to stuff more doing or projects or achievements into your day/life.
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May 11, 2011 19:01:33 GMT -5
Post by waddicalwabbit on May 11, 2011 19:01:33 GMT -5
HOWEVER! All of the learning ABOUT awareness or consciousness is just that at some point you have to get off the dang keyboard, quit listening to Adya babble, stop reading Jed or Nisargaddatta, put down the journal and BE! :-) You could spend your whole life reading all of the talk and description on these forums and feel like you're getting somewhere when no where, no when, no one is what you're looking for. Hehe (as Enigma would say).
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May 12, 2011 10:10:44 GMT -5
Post by lilithz on May 12, 2011 10:10:44 GMT -5
Well, yeah, the idea that something is missing is a very creative thought that is self confirming. What if the thought isn't true until you believe it? thats just it. Do you believe it if someone says they have the prize and you dont. or that you are missing something marvelous?
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May 12, 2011 21:15:21 GMT -5
Post by mamza on May 12, 2011 21:15:21 GMT -5
So this is off topic, but I think I found the ultimate job. Peeling potatoes. That's what I want to do with my life.
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May 12, 2011 21:18:13 GMT -5
Post by onehandclapping on May 12, 2011 21:18:13 GMT -5
Sweet!! I just found the ultimate job too! Typing on a forum!! I'm waiting on the paycheck to come to my inbox..........
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May 13, 2011 3:16:28 GMT -5
Post by sharon on May 13, 2011 3:16:28 GMT -5
Peeling mushrooms is a very simple ATA ~ try taking the whole of the skin off in one go
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May 13, 2011 11:03:23 GMT -5
Post by ivory on May 13, 2011 11:03:23 GMT -5
Man, I would love a simple job like that where I didn't have to think
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May 13, 2011 11:33:06 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 11:33:06 GMT -5
didn't Snarky say something about how thinking can be like peeling a potato? It was somewhere on his website or maybe a podcast.
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May 13, 2011 11:45:50 GMT -5
Post by mamza on May 13, 2011 11:45:50 GMT -5
Who is Snarky?
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May 13, 2011 11:54:58 GMT -5
Post by waddicalwabbit on May 13, 2011 11:54:58 GMT -5
Snarky is Enigma's squirrel friend at the local park. We're anthropomorphizing. :-)
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May 13, 2011 13:01:35 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 13, 2011 13:01:35 GMT -5
didn't Snarky say something about how thinking can be like peeling a potato? It was somewhere on his website or maybe a podcast. Snarky says "Well.....yeah....Like, duh!" Sorry, he can be a bit snarky sometimes. The irony is that thinking becomes both effortful and unproductive when we enter the thought stream because we go blind. We're no longer looking with awareness and instead we're manipulating memory, trying to reorganize what we already think we know as though it will reveal something new that we don't know, or we imagine a problem and go about trying to solve the imaginary problem. Doing also becomes effortful in the same way. The thought stream usually involves resistance to what is being done because we don't want to do it, and yet it's the thought that's it's a problem that causes it to be experienced as an effort. Peeling potatoes is just peeling potatoes.
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May 13, 2011 13:10:36 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 13, 2011 13:10:36 GMT -5
Yep, there's no such thing as pure objectivity. And that's true even if I leave the baby alone on the bed with a video camera and send you the tape. Again, there's nothing objective about your experience of being absent while a camera records an event. It's just another subjective experience; in this case a dream that you have objective evidence. There's nothing you can do in your 'dream' to prove that the dream is separate from the dreamer.
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May 13, 2011 13:29:11 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 13, 2011 13:29:11 GMT -5
"What can we do to awaken? a. Since direct seeing shows that there is no doer, there is nothing that the "individual" can do to awaken. b. Since awakening transcends time, no practice that occurs in time can bring about awakening. Thus most practices do not bring about awakening. c. However, direct seeing can bring about awakening because direct seeing is timeless seeing." where can i get a can of that direct seeing? ...and a can opener? What I'm suggesting is stepping out of the thought stream and remaining as the observer. What this amounts to is becoming fully conscious, because getting caught in the thought stream is unconsciousness. It's a kind of trance in which thoughts are no longer questioned in the same way that the odd events in our nightly dreams aren't questioned, because we imagine ourselves to be in the dream rather than observing it. From within the dream, all that matters is what is in the dream. Likewise, in the thought stream, all that matters is the content of thought. Thoughts and feelings become meaningful and true and there's nothing to imply that they aren't.
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May 13, 2011 13:38:53 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 13, 2011 13:38:53 GMT -5
b. Since awakening transcends time, no practice that occurs in time can bring about awakening. Thus most practices do not bring about awakening. ; Yet, some practices seem to correlate with awakening, don't they? Yes, in the same way that taking a medicine correlates with getting well, and yet nothing within the dream is a cause of anything else in the dream. It's just the way the story of awakening (or whatever) plays out. If the conditions are right for you to come to clarity about something, a story will play out about how that happens. A teacher will appear or a dramatic event will occur or whatever. Again, it's all unfolding from the inside out, so no teacher or practice has ever taught you anything or helped you to see anything.
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