waddicalwabbit
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Let's all go down the wabbit hole
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Post by waddicalwabbit on May 10, 2011 14:19:48 GMT -5
What a lovely thread. Enigma and ZD and others are getting better at saying things in a way that the rest of us understand. ringin our chimes. and the comments and responses are so thoughtful. Nice. Thank you all.
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Post by ivory on May 10, 2011 15:36:42 GMT -5
lol @ "dumbing it down"
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Post by onehandclapping on May 17, 2011 19:14:20 GMT -5
Umm.......It's all impersonal? How's that? That's much better. All of those fancy words summed up in three words. Now that's something my mind can get around. hahahaha.
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Post by onehandclapping on May 17, 2011 19:19:07 GMT -5
Enigma and ZD and others are getting better at saying things in a way that the rest of us understand. ringin our chimes. Stop encouraging them, it makes the discussions fall apart too quickly!! My ego enjoys the banter too much. I vote we don't allow them to post til we are at least ten pages into a thread. HAHAHAHA!!! ;D
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Post by enigma on May 17, 2011 21:19:33 GMT -5
Umm.......It's all impersonal? How's that? That's much better. All of those fancy words summed up in three words. Now that's something my mind can get around. hahahaha. In our squirrel satsang today, Snarky was talking about how all of creation is impersonal. Marie said 'I don't like that word. How about neutral?' I said, but it's not neutral at all. Is a hurricane neutral? Is an exploding star neutral? Is the suffering that so often leads straight to Freedom, neutral? I said sumthin like, the love that flows between us now, along with the gratitude and appreciation, is utterly impersonal, and yet intimate beyond any personal intimacy. We've talked about 'impersonal' many times, and she understood it but today she 'saw' it and realized that all she was doing was 'wraping her mind around it'. She went on for several minutes talking about what she saw. It was very cool. ;D You probly would have thought it was a lot of fancy words, but it was, as we like to say, 'Daddy talkin'. Wonderful clarity.
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Post by onehandclapping on May 17, 2011 22:47:37 GMT -5
I just noticed your karma points went to -24 Engima. I don't think I can listen to pointers anymore from someone who is so low on karma. . Hahahaha!
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Post by enigma on May 18, 2011 3:20:07 GMT -5
That seems like a wise thing to dodo.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 6:59:46 GMT -5
I just noticed your karma points went to -24 Engima. I don't think I can listen to pointers anymore from someone who is so low on karma. . Hahahaha! i just wish the folk(s) who are trying to caution us innocents from the hidden evil of enigma would give us an example of one of his pointers that are so pointedly preposterous or reprehensible or pick-you're-bad-adjective. the karma point pointer just isn't that helpful. we want some text! put it on the table! save us!!
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Post by therealfake on May 18, 2011 20:25:06 GMT -5
I don’t know what all the fuss is about honestly. But Question and I are still waiting for E to explain how it’s possible to know what it’s like to be a cat. I mean me and Q could try and figure out how it’s possible, but we might end up making stuff up, isn’t true, or even believable. And we wouldn’t want that to happen... meowww
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Post by onehandclapping on May 18, 2011 22:28:49 GMT -5
What a lovely thread. Enigma and ZD and others are getting better at saying things in a way that the rest of us understand. ringin our chimes. and the comments and responses are so thoughtful. Nice. Thank you all. And I had to go talking about karma points again and ruin it........ HAHAHAHA
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Post by enigma on May 19, 2011 0:00:17 GMT -5
I don’t know what all the fuss is about honestly. But Question and I are still waiting for E to explain how it’s possible to know what it’s like to be a cat. I mean me and Q could try and figure out how it’s possible, but we might end up making stuff up, isn’t true, or even believable. And we wouldn’t want that to happen... meowww Your belief that you're separate from the cat is going to make finding proof difficult. Coincidentally (yeah, right), Marie sent this to me yesterday: I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at, and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness, love; you may give it any name you like. Love says "I am everything". Wisdom says "I am nothing". Between the two, my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Post by question on May 19, 2011 9:07:53 GMT -5
I don’t know what all the fuss is about honestly. But Question and I are still waiting for E to explain how it’s possible to know what it’s like to be a cat. I mean me and Q could try and figure out how it’s possible, but we might end up making stuff up, isn’t true, or even believable. And we wouldn’t want that to happen... meowww Your belief that you're separate from the cat is going to make finding proof difficult. Coincidentally (yeah, right), Marie sent this to me yesterday: I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at, and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness, love; you may give it any name you like. Love says "I am everything". Wisdom says "I am nothing". Between the two, my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj Does/can the cat experience Enigma consciousness? If it can, what happens if Enigma experiences cat consciousness while the cat is experiencing Enigma consciousness who is simultaneously experiencing cat consciousness which is simultaneously experiencing Enigma consciousness (etc)? Head asplode I suppose, but whose head is first? Ok, bad jokes aside. What I'm interested in isn't proof but rather how to reconcile the contradiction that in order to align Enigma's consciousness with cat consciousness we need to presuppose the same cognitive boundaries that you claim to transcend in the alignment of consciousnesses.
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Post by therealfake on May 19, 2011 12:18:57 GMT -5
I don’t know what all the fuss is about honestly. But Question and I are still waiting for E to explain how it’s possible to know what it’s like to be a cat. I mean me and Q could try and figure out how it’s possible, but we might end up making stuff up, isn’t true, or even believable. And we wouldn’t want that to happen... meowww Your belief that you're separate from the cat is going to make finding proof difficult. Coincidentally (yeah, right), Marie sent this to me yesterday: I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at, and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness, love; you may give it any name you like. Love says "I am everything". Wisdom says "I am nothing". Between the two, my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj You know, the universe doesn't really care what 'I' believe, or what Nis believes or imagines or feels... ...because the perfection of the universe is as it is. So if there's proof of what you claim, it's going to be there...
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Post by enigma on May 19, 2011 13:51:23 GMT -5
Your belief that you're separate from the cat is going to make finding proof difficult. Coincidentally (yeah, right), Marie sent this to me yesterday: I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at, and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness, love; you may give it any name you like. Love says "I am everything". Wisdom says "I am nothing". Between the two, my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj Does/can the cat experience Enigma consciousness? If it can, what happens if Enigma experiences cat consciousness while the cat is experiencing Enigma consciousness who is simultaneously experiencing cat consciousness which is simultaneously experiencing Enigma consciousness (etc)? Head asplode I suppose, but whose head is first? Ok, bad jokes aside. What I'm interested in isn't proof but rather how to reconcile the contradiction that in order to align Enigma's consciousness with cat consciousness we need to presuppose the same cognitive boundaries that you claim to transcend in the alignment of consciousnesses. Yeah, head exploded on that one. ----Cleaning up the mess and moving on----- Boundaries that are transcended don't disappear. To transcend means to include and go beyond. Enigma and cat haven't gone anywhere, they're right here. Everything is right here.
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Post by therealfake on May 19, 2011 14:30:23 GMT -5
Does/can the cat experience Enigma consciousness? If it can, what happens if Enigma experiences cat consciousness while the cat is experiencing Enigma consciousness who is simultaneously experiencing cat consciousness which is simultaneously experiencing Enigma consciousness (etc)? Head asplode I suppose, but whose head is first? Ok, bad jokes aside. What I'm interested in isn't proof but rather how to reconcile the contradiction that in order to align Enigma's consciousness with cat consciousness we need to presuppose the same cognitive boundaries that you claim to transcend in the alignment of consciousnesses. Yeah, head exploded on that one. ----Cleaning up the mess and moving on----- Boundaries that are transcended don't disappear. To transcend means to include and go beyond. Enigma and cat haven't gone anywhere, they're right here. Everything is right here. Agreed, let's move on... Indeed everything is right here except for one thing....the truth. You could have saved yourself some typing on knowing what it's like to be a cat, by using only 3 words... "I don't know" ;D
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