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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2011 18:12:34 GMT -5
@ e. Precisely, there is a sense that this witness has not changed at all. Great! Yes, not moving at all. You can't see it because it's not waving it's arms around, and yet it's the only (non)thing that was here before 'you' were born and will always be here. (Since it's not a thing)
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Post by jenpa on Mar 6, 2011 18:15:39 GMT -5
"When you notice 'Hey, I exist', you have not discovered an attribute, and yet there is a recognition of something that is Self evident. Closer than your breath, prior to your next thought, more intimate than what you know of your own heart, alive, awake, immediate, and of course, none of that."
Thank you e and zen. It has not changed at all. :-)
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Post by therealfake on Mar 6, 2011 18:24:56 GMT -5
You are saying that there are no attributes to report, because it's not like anything else — right? If I may add to Zen's comments...This is a bit of a concession to mind, but don't panic. (hehe) It's not that the attributes can't be compared to anything known, it's more that there are no attributes at all to be found. We're talking about the absence of any attribute or quality, and while this means nothing to mind in search of 'mind objects', it is actually an astounding absence. Again, all thoughts, feelings, qualities, attributes, anything that can be perceived, arises and falls in Your presence, and so you must be prior to all appearances, and therefore devoid of appearance. You don't appear because you are not an object that moves in front of you but rather the subject that is aware of this movement. For the subject to recognize his subjectivity, no objective quality is needed. When you notice 'Hey, I exist', you have not discovered an attribute, and yet there is a recognition of something that is Self evident. Closer than your breath, prior to your next thought, more intimate than what you know of your own heart, alive, awake, immediate, and of course, none of that. I like that E, I would only add that the recognition by the awareness of itself, can only happen through the manifestation of feeling, as awareness can't be aware of awareness... Thus the feeling of 'presence' is made known to the awareness...
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Post by jenpa on Mar 6, 2011 18:36:12 GMT -5
Even that you are here?
Not the you that you think you are, but that which you really are...
Don't you feel/know that you are here, now?
AH! Thank you t. you called me on something here which really helped me to get my words to speak in accordance with my experience, in which a very beneficial thread followed.
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Post by therealfake on Mar 6, 2011 19:45:06 GMT -5
Even that you are here? Not the you that you think you are, but that which you really are... Don't you feel/know that you are here, now? AH! Thank you t. you called me on something here which really helped me to get my words to speak in accordance with my experience, in which a very beneficial thread followed. I'm the one who's thankful J, your realization gives back more to me, than you know...
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2011 20:49:58 GMT -5
"I like that E, I would only add that the recognition by the awareness of itself, can only happen through the manifestation of feeling, as awareness can't be aware of awareness...
Thus the feeling of 'presence' is made known to the awareness..."
I would say consciousness makes it possible for awareness to be self aware. I would not call it feeling. Feeling is observed, experienced. Truth is realized as having always been the case.
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