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Post by vacant on Mar 3, 2011 18:27:31 GMT -5
I often wish I would post more on this glorious forum. I read most days, thanks to all posters, but usually feel I do not have enough accuracy of vision to respond to what is said, and when I intend to put a question to the wisdom palpably alive here, lo and behold questions are answered before I can put typing to computer… not as proper answers but as the seeing of the non substance of the question. IOW question dissolves when I genuinely look at what’s in front of me, kinda gets by-passed.
Today I spent more than most of my time supporting my girl friend —I probably should say “partner”, she is 48 years old and no longer qualifies as girl— going through difficulties with work agreement terms. Because of the thorough involvement it took I did a lot less of my usual occupation which I can only describe as attending, or more accurately as purposely gathering attention while mostly failing, along with some inner calling (what’s a lost soul to do?) For some weird reason I am left with a sense of time well spent, not just as in helping her, more significantly: no search and plenty of being full on with what’s going on. It brings me to question where is the line, if line there was, between living my desire for truth awareness and letting truth be, without being aware of it. I can sense that all is “well” regardless. No line, no question, I just wish to post!
Immense love to you all here.
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Post by mamza on Mar 3, 2011 19:08:16 GMT -5
Well post all you like, even people who don't know anything are welcome to post, right? Though I will say I laughed at the idea that she no longer qualifies as a girl because she's 48. Does that mean she's a man? LOL. Just kidding.
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Post by therealfake on Mar 4, 2011 13:32:38 GMT -5
I often wish I would post more on this glorious forum. I read most days, thanks to all posters, but usually feel I do not have enough accuracy of vision to respond to what is said, and when I intend to put a question to the wisdom palpably alive here, lo and behold questions are answered before I can put typing to computer… not as proper answers but as the seeing of the non substance of the question. IOW question dissolves when I genuinely look at what’s in front of me, kinda gets by-passed. Today I spent more than most of my time supporting my girl friend —I probably should say “partner”, she is 48 years old and no longer qualifies as girl— going through difficulties with work agreement terms. Because of the thorough involvement it took I did a lot less of my usual occupation which I can only describe as attending, or more accurately as purposely gathering attention while mostly failing, along with some inner calling (what’s a lost soul to do?) For some weird reason I am left with a sense of time well spent, not just as in helping her, more significantly: no search and plenty of being full on with what’s going on. It brings me to question where is the line, if line there was, between living my desire for truth awareness and letting truth be, without being aware of it. I can sense that all is “well” regardless. No line, no question, I just wish to post! Immense love to you all here. Well done, balancing the desire for truth (the human manifestation) with allowing or letting the truth, that you are, simply 'BE'It's really all about control, the human wants it, but it's the truth that we are, that 'is' total control. Same thing with love, or freedom, or liberation... The human part of us, wants what it already 'IS', but it wants it from the material world... If we simply stay in the 'being' without trying to control anything, we enter directly into the Kingdom of Heaven... Of course it all hinges on seeing the human manifestation, playing out its karmic conditioned past and allowing it to happen... Like you said, give it compassion and soon enough, anyone will start to feel the Bliss, of just Being your 'SELF'Immense love back at ya... |
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Post by enigma on Mar 4, 2011 21:10:42 GMT -5
"it's the truth that we are, that 'is' total control"
The idea of control is best abandoned all together. Truth is not control. From the perspective of 'what is', what could be, should be, want to be, will be, doesn't enter the picture.
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Post by zendancer on Mar 4, 2011 22:00:07 GMT -5
"it's the truth that we are, that 'is' total control" The idea of control is best abandoned all together. Truth is not control. From the perspective of 'what is', what could be, should be, want to be, will be, doesn't enter the picture. Oooooh. So well stated. Sigh. |
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Post by therealfake on Mar 4, 2011 22:35:01 GMT -5
"it's the truth that we are, that 'is' total control" The idea of control is best abandoned all together. Truth is not control. From the perspective of 'what is', what could be, should be, want to be, will be, doesn't enter the picture. Yes, conceptualizing is always a trap, an illusion, like the idea of a perspective from 'what is'... There's really no one there to have a 'perspective', although awareness does recognize itself. That's the illusory idea folks have of what awakening is, or enlightenment, or liberation... They want to be there, to have a perspective, when it happens... Good luck, that would be too easy... LOL |
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Post by enigma on Mar 4, 2011 23:56:33 GMT -5
Yuppers, which is why there's no control going on.
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Post by jenpa on Mar 5, 2011 12:27:39 GMT -5
When simply staying present with whatever arises, there doesn't appear to be a line or any separation — no judgement, no reflection, no mind, just staying. Stay, stay, stay.
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2011 14:22:41 GMT -5
And this is no doubt a relief, but it is still unsatisfactory or mind would not return, right? This is why 'being present' is usually done as an intermittent practice, and maybe various mind states will be experienced from there, but then it ends and one gets back to 'normal' life.
Mind (unconsciously) sets boundaries on how much presence it will allow. To be fully present is to be devoid of mind completely, and along with mind go all the mind created boundaries to presence. The absence of those boundaries IS satisfactory, but mind can't be interested in that.
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Post by jenpa on Mar 5, 2011 15:39:25 GMT -5
Found this: Any pattern of thought or action repeated many times results in a habit with a corresponding neurosignature, or brain groove. The brain is composed of approximately 100 billion cells, called neurons. A brain groove is a series of interconnected neurons that carry the thought patterns of a particular habit. Attention feeds the habit. When we give our attention to a habit, we activate the brain groove, releasing the thoughts, desires, and actions related to that habit. The good news is that the brain is malleable. We can change our thoughts and behavior by recruiting new cells to form new brain grooves. Every thought and action is recorded within the interconnected nerve cells, and each repetition adds new depth to the brain groove. If we repeat a thought and action enough times, a habit is formed. Continued repetition strengthens the power of the habit. Inattention and lack of repetition weakens the power of the habit. These principles apply to the formation of both good and bad habits. Positive thoughts and actions create good habits. Negative thoughts and actions create harmful habits. We can use these principles to eliminate and replace bad habits with good ones. We can gradually starve bad habits to death by not giving them our attention. As we pay more attention to forming a good habit, the new brain groove slowly gains power. Eventually, the new positive brain groove dominates the negative groove, and good habits drive out the bad. Without this transformation, spiritual growth is impossible. www.philipshapiro.com/art-habits.html |
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Post by therealfake on Mar 5, 2011 15:47:21 GMT -5
Yuppers, which is why there's no control going on. Control or no control and something 'going on' is just our attempt to view or make the abstract into something material or concrete. Conceptually speaking, seeing 'through' one's conceptual schemes, eliminates any separation from what 'is' happening... ...including the concept of 'what is'. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2011 16:22:09 GMT -5
Found this: Any pattern of thought or action repeated many times results in a habit with a corresponding neurosignature, or brain groove. The brain is composed of approximately 100 billion cells, called neurons. A brain groove is a series of interconnected neurons that carry the thought patterns of a particular habit. Attention feeds the habit. When we give our attention to a habit, we activate the brain groove, releasing the thoughts, desires, and actions related to that habit. The good news is that the brain is malleable. We can change our thoughts and behavior by recruiting new cells to form new brain grooves. Every thought and action is recorded within the interconnected nerve cells, and each repetition adds new depth to the brain groove. If we repeat a thought and action enough times, a habit is formed. Continued repetition strengthens the power of the habit. Inattention and lack of repetition weakens the power of the habit. These principles apply to the formation of both good and bad habits. Positive thoughts and actions create good habits. Negative thoughts and actions create harmful habits. We can use these principles to eliminate and replace bad habits with good ones. We can gradually starve bad habits to death by not giving them our attention. As we pay more attention to forming a good habit, the new brain groove slowly gains power. Eventually, the new positive brain groove dominates the negative groove, and good habits drive out the bad. Without this transformation, spiritual growth is impossible. www.philipshapiro.com/art-habits.htmlThere isn't a mind that stands apart from a 'mechanical' brain function which causes mind to function. 'Brain grooves' are an apparent physical expression of mind functioning and this expression is not the cause of anything happening in mind. Brain appears in (to) this mind, (or we wouldn't know there was groovy brain stuff happening) and mind appears in (to) consciousness (or we wouldn't be conscious of mind functioning). As such, consciousness is the cause and everything else is effect. Hencely, the presence of a 'brain groove' indicates a habitual pattern of thought is present. If a different pattern of thought forms, the habit may change, and will be expressed as a different 'brain groove'. There's an obvious absurdity to assigning the cause of thought patterns to brain grooviness and then suggesting that the grooviness can be changed with the proper change in thought patterns. The chicken is left with egg all over his face. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2011 16:29:08 GMT -5
From the good doctor's website:
"The thought manifests as word;
The word manifests as deed;
The deed develops into habit;
And habit hardens into character.
So watch the thought and its ways with care,
And let it spring from love
Born out of concern for all beings."
The Buddha
The Buddha didn't suggest that we can change our thoughts by recruiting cells to form brain grooviness and such, he simply said watch the thought. It means be aware, be conscious. This is enough.
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Post by jenpa on Mar 5, 2011 18:19:44 GMT -5
I didn't interpret it as 'brain grooviness' (lol, love that btw) were the cause of thought patterns, but that the 'grooviness' were the result of a particular thought pattern repeated over and over, over time — the 'grooviness' just gets reinforced or deeper with a repeated pattern.
So it would make sense that by focusing ones attention on the actual or consciousness, would cause the old illusory world of the mind to dissolve.
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2011 20:57:31 GMT -5
"So it would make sense that by focusing ones attention on the actual or consciousness, would cause the old illusory world of the mind to dissolve."
On actual direct experience, yes. There's surprisingly little actual information in direct experience. Hehe.
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