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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2010 11:27:15 GMT -5
There ya go. Your ignorance is essential to life as we know it. Thanks for saving the planet. Hehe.
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Post by lexi on Dec 17, 2010 11:45:35 GMT -5
This is a true story though told Osho style Michael This is what Osho had to say about Bhagavan and Lakshmi: Perhaps once in a while a rare animal uses the window. In Shri Raman Maharshi’s ashram… and he was one of the most significant people of this century. He was not a master; that’s why people don’t know him as they know George Gurdjieff or J. Krishnamurti. They don’t know him even as they know Sri Aurobindo or P.D. Ouspensky who were only teachers — profound teachers, but not mystics. Raman Maharshi was a silent pool of energy. Every morning he used to sit for a silent satsang, communion. He never talked much, unless asked something. Then too his answer was very short — having profundity, but you had to look for it. There was no explanation in it. His literature is confined to two, three small booklets. His teaching was mostly to be in silent communion with the disciples. Naturally, very few people were benefited by him. But every morning he was sitting, people were sitting, and a cow would come and stand outside, putting her neck through the window, and she would remain standing there while the satsang lasted. It must have continued for years. People came and went, new people came, but the cow remained constant… and at the exact time, never late. And as the satsang would disperse she would move away. One day she did not appear, and Shri Raman said, “Today satsang cannot be held, because my real audience is absent. I am afraid either the cow is very sick or she has died, and I have to go and look for her.” He lived on a mountain in the south of India, Arunachal. The cow belonged to a poor woodcutter who lived near the ashram. Raman left the temple where they used to meet, went to the woodcutter and asked, “What happened? The cow has not come today for satsang.” The woodcutter said, “She is very sick and I am afraid she is dying, but she goes on looking out of the door, as if she is waiting for someone. Perhaps she is waiting for you, to see you for the last time. Perhaps that is why she is hanging around a little longer.” Raman went in and there were tears in the eyes of the cow. And she died happily, putting her head in the lap of Raman Maharshi. This happened just in this century, and Raman declared her enlightened, and told his people that a beautiful memorial should be made for her. It is very rare for human beings to be enlightened; it is almost impossibly rare for animals to become enlightened, but the cow attained. She will not be born again. From the body of a cow she has bypassed the whole world of humanity, and she has jumped ahead and joined with the buddhas. So once in a while — there are a few instances only — it has happened. But that cannot be called the rule; it is just the exception. Thank you for this story, Michaelsees If it be the exception, then this exception is where I live. I loved it.
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Post by lexi on Dec 17, 2010 11:55:29 GMT -5
Perhaps this is true for you, it is nonsense to me.
I agree with this. But you see, this attachment, this love, this suffering- is a way of lexi and the animals dissolving.
It is its own practice. And the depth is already in it.
This shines a light on Truth- that nothing is as it seems- and sometimes we step on the naked toes of one who is surrending. But as the saying goes, forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.
The head knows many thing- the pure heart knows one.
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Post by lexi on Dec 17, 2010 12:03:44 GMT -5
Do you really need to defend this? You should be proud of this.
This makes perfect sense? You say you are an animal lover? You say "everything is perfect including the perceived mistreatment of animals." I say you imagine yourself to be an animal lover. I say you are licking the fur of your peers, here, instead of standing up for those who have fur.
Unsettling.
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Post by lexi on Dec 17, 2010 12:27:29 GMT -5
"Not to hurt the creatures brethren is our first duty to them, but to stop there is not enough. We have a higher mission - to be of service to them wherever they require it." Saint Francis My fight is for animals, not against enigma. I am passionate about it, if you had walked in my shoes, you would understand.
That said, being a pal of yours, I wish you could stretch yourself and understand anyway.
For a greater Truth can be found in this, than in the adherence of thought- even masterful thought.
I have given in to you many times. And this is not my nature. I cannot say the same for you, even once.
If you can't give----- then the talk is just talk.
Even here I am giving in.
Peace.. Pity.What do you know of heart, or these mystics? If Rumi used a different name and wrote you a poem, and he has many poems to prove a point, you would dimiss it. And I say you are lying to yourself. Had you of seen through that fight you would have a heart as big as the moon, and you would feel every bit of sunlight on it.If you knew something about my shoes, you would see that I don't have any. What's condtioned are the callus's. And they will wear off far sooner than your leather soles will.If you don't know there is a fight going on, then you are more oblivous than I thought. And whether you know or not, give in. Just give in. Nope, that's what I thought. (It's that tough leather you know)maybe because I have?
You really do think you are some sort guru, don't you. Who are you to ask me to look and see- and assume I am wearing conditoned shoes?
Why don't you look and see without your conditioned shoes on and THEN see what you have to say to me.
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Post by lexi on Dec 17, 2010 12:31:41 GMT -5
The irony is that the struggle to prevent the mistreatment of animals is the dualistic polarity that continues the mistreatment of animals. They are, as they say, two sides of the same coin and one cannot continue without the other to define it. This is why I say there are two ways to increase dualistic love in the world; be more loving or be more hateful. Lawlessness could not continue in the absence of laws and law enforcement since it would have no meaning, at least as presently defined. Of course, one will be whatever one is being, but the point is that all experiences are self defining as they all originate in Consciousness. This is why the likes of Mother Theresa and Gandhi have said 'I am not against war but in favor of peace'. This approach removes most of the struggle that sustains the creative dualistic tension of war/peace. Them "I am not against animal cruelty, but in favor animal welfare."
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Post by lexi on Dec 17, 2010 12:41:09 GMT -5
The funny thing is that relating happens only in ignorance. Ignorance being the grasping of false knowledge....nothing cynical or judgmental about it. In the absence of ignorance, there literally isn't anything very interesting to talk about. And that would be a travesty? Nothing interesting to talk about. It would be an overhaul in one's life. Like your life. Because they wouldn't have anybody to talk to??? Insane. It ain't functioning now. It has never functioned. . Is that why you keep spinning it?
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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2010 12:52:28 GMT -5
The hatefullness and struggle folks have with each other goes hoof in hoof with the struggle to save the victims from the perpetrators, and this is done in the name of love. If one cannot love the cats without hating the politicians, the heart remains divided. Love moves differently and so does compassion. In such a way that it doesn't make enemies of itself in it's loving expression.
Sentimentality is not Love. Unicity is not seen through divisiveness. Compassion does not deny perfection.
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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2010 12:58:43 GMT -5
The irony is that the struggle to prevent the mistreatment of animals is the dualistic polarity that continues the mistreatment of animals. They are, as they say, two sides of the same coin and one cannot continue without the other to define it. This is why I say there are two ways to increase dualistic love in the world; be more loving or be more hateful. Lawlessness could not continue in the absence of laws and law enforcement since it would have no meaning, at least as presently defined. Of course, one will be whatever one is being, but the point is that all experiences are self defining as they all originate in Consciousness. This is why the likes of Mother Theresa and Gandhi have said 'I am not against war but in favor of peace'. This approach removes most of the struggle that sustains the creative dualistic tension of war/peace. Them "I am not against animal cruelty, but in favor animal welfare." Then we agree after all and there is no 'fight'?
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Post by lexi on Dec 17, 2010 13:00:50 GMT -5
The hatefullness and struggle folks have with each other goes hoof in hoof with the struggle to save the victims from the perpetrators, and this is done in the name of love. If one cannot love the cats without hating the politicians, the heart remains divided. Love moves differently and so does compassion. In such a way that it doesn't make enemies of itself in it's loving expression. Sentimentality is not Love. Unicity is not seen through divisiveness. Compassion does not deny perfection. I agree with this. It is hard not to hate those who hurt that which you love. But yes, the key is to drop the hate. This does not mean one cannot help animals though, or people. To not take action is not loving. And one can't help but take action if they love.
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Post by harrison on Dec 17, 2010 13:08:17 GMT -5
a sad but honest Haiku for the talk today friends
....... simple set of open eyes will become your animal gift all you can ever give .......
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Post by lexi on Dec 17, 2010 13:09:46 GMT -5
Them "I am not against animal cruelty, but in favor animal welfare." Then we agree after all and there is no 'fight'? I was talking about fighting you. lol But yes, I have a FIGHT when it comes to animals. But I often stay present and do what I can in the moment. But there are times when I lose it. Deer hunting just ended here- and so it is right in my face. I know to be negative about the hunter is Not the way to go. But it happens, and when it does, if I don't accept that resistance, then I let it out. Ulimately it Is conditioning. But the same conditioning- this Love- sublimely melts the heart. 'There are many ways to kneel and kiss the ground.' Rumi And this is something I'd like you to see. That it doesn't always have to fit in the pages.
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Post by lexi on Dec 17, 2010 13:12:38 GMT -5
a sad but honest Haiku for the talk today friends ....... simple set of open eyes will become your animal gift all you can ever give ....... Hi harrison, I don't get it. What's it mean- or does it have a meaning?
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Post by klaus on Dec 17, 2010 15:14:08 GMT -5
All this assumes a superiority(unfounded) toward all animals as if we know their condition.
How in hell can we assume even this when we don't even know what we are!
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Post by Portto on Dec 17, 2010 15:43:42 GMT -5
The funny thing is that relating happens only in ignorance. Ignorance being the grasping of false knowledge....nothing cynical or judgmental about it. In the absence of ignorance, there literally isn't anything very interesting to talk about. The woo woo enlightened guru can easily relate to the 'unenlightened' because there is ignorance present, but one 'enlightened' dude has nothing at all to say to another 'enlightened' dude, which is why you rarely see them together. They see precisely the same 'thing' and comparing notes on how to conceptualize it isn't useful unless there is somebody listening to that conceptualization and potentially making use of it. There cannot be a world full of Awakened beings. It won't function. Ignorance is what makes the world go round. Hehe. Really nice post (maybe except the last line). Thanks!
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