Eckhart Tolle

[cosmicmuffin]

I like Eckhart's teachings but I wonder about the marketing arm of his orginization. Does the marketing/profiteering aspect negate his teaching? Wondering how others see this.
Phil

[michaelsees]

Hi Phil,

my opinion how does one negate truth?
peace
michael

[louij]

Morning to all, Tolle - well the energy is all that remains, we may travel it via all sorts of thought processes, but in the outside of the matrix, we disappear.

There is no longer an individualised necessity, we return into the cosmic soup of energy. Once you become occupied in that you drop off the mind and the intellect. Soul is the pilot - physicality is not ..... even aura is not. You are energy.

Once you attain this essence more and more via any chosen method you begin to intuitively impact on the so called negative energy, which is a not ....... heehee

Energy to energy soul to soul conversation and meetings and sharings are happening more and more in the ordinary with the matrix.

Safe space is recognisable by any other soul immediately....... the spontaneous recognition is awesome........... so for me tolle teaches one and one thing only..... return into the energy.

We have so long identified with personality earth human form measure time desire hunger thirst etc etc when you fall into the energy completely there is a sustaining much like the wind and the rain, you uncover your essence your naturalness.

From out of that aspect we engage others, we be-come a cool place resting place breathing space .... in that ancient rememberance, we free others .... it might be a fragment of recognition, a small reminder, that turn within leaning into essence is a paradise...... and like all things a knife edge.
love love Louij

[michaelsees]

Hi Louij,

Nice to meet you.

I have a question(2) for you.

Who is the one to attain more essence? Who is we?

thanks

peace
michael

[sherry]

Hi Phil
Tolle's work has really been beneficial to me. I prefer to think of him/his work in terms of the content only and irrespective of the apparent 'professionalism' of his marketing team.
Good wishes,
sherry

[selfseeker]

Hi Phil!

Tolles book the Power of Now was my introduction in to this field and I will forever be grateful for that. Recommended it to a interested person last week for that purpose. However would never choose someone like Tolle as my main teacher on the path. He's too much of an "world guru" for that. Impossible to get any one to one help from him. Also have a feeling that the teaching is "watered " down somewhat to cater to the masses. For sure if you compare him to Nisargadatta that I'm in to at the moment. His words just cut right to the core passing the intellect in a way Tolle would never do for me.

[cosmicmuffin]

michealsees, thank you. i am sure you are correct - one cannot negate truth. most of what tolle says resonates with me as true at my current level of understanding. i guess the package it comes in or the way it is marketed/distributed is secondary.

Louij, beautifully stated and i even understood much of what you said! before studying tolle, i would not have had a clue what you were talking out.

Thank you, sherry. i feel exactly the same way. his teachings have helped me get started on this path and i am very grateful to have found someone that teaches in a style that i can relate to and understand.

selfseeker, i just started reading "I Am That" by Nisargadatta. seems like the perfect next step for me. thank you.

[louij]

We are a construct, for the use of english language and having been taught a frame of reference, we ..... is an inclusive word for the us of us, those who are on a quest to adventure into the pure truth of what this physical ........ and....... to what benefit ..... is striving to find the escalation of energy that takes you beyond the pull of mind, and form.

I am NOW 66 years young.......... and in each birth have arrived into a backwards ....... first birth environment. From birth I waited to be fetched.... literally would always find the highest point away from family and everyone, a high dune, up the top of a mountain, climb a tree.......... I could not identify with human form. More often than not from earliest memory I slept little and walked about in the etheric in an animal form...... black panther.

Drawing pictures are a very young age I would label this panther, with my name, Louij....... although my given names were different. I always talked to all beings physical, etheric etc........ so very very young I watched people who were supposed to have died, walk about.......... and wondered why their families could not see them.

In a christian household with a jewish father the dogma of religion caused my family to not encourage adventure into other forms, especially astral travel. Now beyond A Course in Miracles, initiation by a Master on the sant mat path of sound, and of course Tolle........ one intuits that this form in the physical in this NOW is very exciting to move through the portals........ so for me, from birth I see energy, I dont see people or chakra I FEEL ENERGY.......... speaking oftimes negates a truth of an individual who is hiding their intimate nature in sacred space..........

so when I read Tolle, he freed the essential ME......... to bath in the truth, or bath in my truth. Two and a half hours meditation even as a ritual clear the mind....... then detaches the need for physicality, then leaves mind behind....... once we are through the portal into the cosmos beyond the firmament, we recognise ... in simple terms one breath in sustains us as individual your breath out is surrender to the energy.......... so circumstances of living, partnership, job, etc etc becomes just a method of working your way (TAO) through the rules of the physical word......

not many humans are discussing what it is like to be pure energy ............. and how that realisation and experience is meant to be ..... lived.... at full potential.

so we, for me is the energy where oneness abides.......... would love to explore this. love love Louij

[louij]

Actally just read my post, as usual - not clear right.

The teachers, the all of them, from Siddartha, through to Tolle, via all the others bring certainly knowledge and intellect. However what is learnt in the chambers of your dis-illusion and frustration are the lessons almost of Ouspensky, where he talks of 7th man etc....... in the arena of inner schools we are conduct precisely into a medium which will unlock your next portal.

When argument arrives it is superlative, it is a construct to get you to change the soup of knowledge........ knowledge no longer static or historic is growing with us, each one of us, who strive to reach our own clarity........ we are no longer in pursuit of happiness per se........ we are in a shower of joy, which flows from creation in a symphony so loud and gorgeous, sublime, that the music cannot play and be heard if even one of us......... is not sounding resounding stricking our own inner melody.

Not one soul will return until the all of us are in oneness one symphony........ no distances, differences, not required to agee at all but only to harmonise in our secret places of sacred being.............. it was profound for me to actualise that kindness - sent out at warp speed, tears cried ...from the heart, real caring really does make a difference. More and more people meeting mostly strangers who FEEL THE SAFE SPACE to open up, is happening all over this universe. Animals know this already ... and one can see from their behaviours those souls who walk the night skies through the milky way again, warriors whose adventure into free-dom ...... who are IN SOUL LOVE with themselves.....teehee is happening more and more and more...... love, without expectation - is a portal.

love first, do no harm... nite nite warp speed dreams, great adventures.... Louij

[questionmelter]

Hi everyone... I would like to recommend Adyashanti for all the Tolle and Nisargadata lovers.

My feeling is he goes quite a lot deeper, and engages in more subtle discernment than Tolle, and well.... he´s more ALIVE than Nisargadatta : )

He holds retreats all over the US. Unfortunately not in Europe yet.. I cant wait (Spain).

Anyway.. I recommend his Audios and Videos most of all. You can see him in conversation with people who bring questions to him. Generally he shines light on the context of the question, doesn´t usually answer... I find these conversations delicious examples of what spacious, fresh un-pretentious spontaneous chats can be like.

He´s got a couple of books too, but I´d have a look at the audio and video first.. there´s lots of torrents around, if you dont have the cash for buying the stuff (i dont!)

[frustratedwanter]

Aug 29, 2010 12:24:54 GMT -5 cosmicmuffin said:

I like Eckhart's teachings but I wonder about the marketing arm of his orginization. Does the marketing/profiteering aspect negate his teaching? Wondering how others see this.
Phil

Don't move into his ashram, don't let him sleep with your wife or kids. If YOU sleep with him sleep with one eye open. Don't buy him a Bentley. If you can NOT do all those things and still get along with him and his teachings, have at it. What's to worry?
Even the Bentley drivin', drug addled wh*remongers have some useful things to say! Maybe.
In the grown up "spiritual" world nobody gets taken advantage of without their full cooperation, despite their protests to the contrary.

I understand the question and some of the conditioning behind it. I share those ideas. The vow of poverty and all that. Simplicity. In my world, with 500 kinds of breakfast cereal, simplicity is just a dream. And poverty is something only the rich find attractive.

Tolle may be driving a Bentley. ( I don't know if Bentley is high end, don't know if they even exist.) Point is: Tolle may be enjoying a very posh lifestyle. I don't care to research it. I would be surprised if he was. Why?
Because he strikes me as real, and real to me is beyond wanton piggishness.
What is posh?
Ask a man in a cardboard box.
Ask a man with 5 useless mansions.
(Sorry! Might have shown my feelings on the matter!)
If Tolle is living in what I consider a piggish manner then I will lose respect. But I won't throw away all his words. 'Cause some resonated/ struck me as true. Worth pursuing.
That particular me that decides these things I don't understand.
Tolle is just another piece of dirt.
If he can say ONE thing that throws me over my wall I'll love him forever. It's not his fault if he doesn't. It's my wall.

In practical terms,
if an industry has grown up around Tolle, and he personally is not being a pig, (guess I WILL research that) doesn't that show something? If many people are making a living/ gaining sustenance from the Tolle phenomenon isn't that benevolence? There are many places for greed to arise in an industry. If the greed isn't emanating from the teacher isn't that significant?
And I don't want to say there is greed anywhere in that system.
I wouldn't know. American free market, capitalist economy.
That's how you play the game.
People gotta eat!
Bless those who help feed others rather than feed themselves more.
I'm going to google whether Tolle is a pig.
By my standards. Which seem to mirror yours. Kind of.
I don't know how it all works.
I hear that those who are realized can never lose it.
I hear that everything can be corrupted.
Tried to find a story about "crack pot baba"
Who's only possession was a piece of cracked pottery that he used to drink water. Wasn't really a possession ,cause he threw it away when he was done with it. (Richard alpert story)
In ancient India this would be an admirable story.
(pretending I know something about ancient India)
In my world...
homeless, worthless bum.
You're asking if Tolle isn't a homeless unheard of bum,
should you accept his teachings?
How would you know his teachings?

Personal note: I'll have to read this tomorrow but I think,
by some circuitous route; much to my surprise;
I might actually have made the point I wanted to make.
Gonna have to go with it.

[zendancer]

Yup, sounds like you made the point particularly well. You could have posted that on our poetry thread as a bit of free verse. LOL