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Post by klaus on Aug 10, 2010 16:23:21 GMT -5
To have a non-dual experience is just that, an experience. Not only an experience, but an individual experience and it is just that, an individual experience.
I'm not questioning the validity of an individual's experience of non-duality, I'm asking that the individual remember it is his/her individual experience and not universal and therefore not jump to the false conclusion that it is an experience that anyone can have if they persue various means to attain this non-dual experience.
There is a randomness of the non-dual experience in that it happens to those who practice some means and those who don't (spontaneous.)
Another matter to consider is the dismissiveness of "mind" to one who has experienced non-duality confining its' usefullness to the "rational" when in fact we know very little of what "mind" is capable of and may be the source of non-dual experiences.
Last, it dismisses all experience as "false Reality" and closes the door to any other explanation of "Reality."
This should raise a red flag in and of itself.
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Post by enigma on Aug 11, 2010 2:15:56 GMT -5
Yes, an experience of nonduality is an oxymoron.
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Post by robert on Aug 11, 2010 11:51:43 GMT -5
this only illustrates why language cannot describe what there is no word for. we are merely a collection of memories and since what we are looking for is not in our memory banks there is no word for it. and excuse the 'we' i am a collection of memories. i have no knowledge as to who or what you are. i have begun to think of this as spiritual "assumptionment". in my case i probably would have been better off if the so called great teachers had just kept their mouths shut it would have kept the psuedo's out of the way and allowed me to find this on my own.
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Post by michaelsees on Aug 28, 2010 20:35:21 GMT -5
Your(everyone) whole life is one non-dual experience peace michael
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Post by enigma on Aug 29, 2010 0:21:45 GMT -5
Your(everyone) whole life is one non-dual experience peace michael How so, Michael?
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Post by michaelsees on Aug 29, 2010 11:44:01 GMT -5
Good morning Enigma.
I will try share with you what I know to be true for me. What do I mean by a life being one non-dual experience.
It's all me. The life that I see,touch, feel, love, hate are parts of the experience but I am the Life itself there is no other. I find language to be always limited when using it to explain various concepts etc. When I say you and I are one what does that mean to you or to your neighbor or the person on the street? It can only mean that you see yourself and the other as one. However what is missing is the actual realization of that phrase you and I are one. You may think it, you may believe it, you may even sense that there is no separation but without the actual realization of "no-other" they are only constructs of your mind .
The absolute truth is there is only one and that one is you the real you but to say this in words is an insult to the truth.
It is far better and easier just being than to try to think one's way into being. When you can simply do that you need nothing else. As a matter of fact you never needed anything else. I like to say "God put a hood over his own head" and all you ever needed to do is to remove it.
Peace michael
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Post by zendancer on Aug 29, 2010 14:39:11 GMT -5
Michael's me is my me, too. This proves that it only takes one to tango and that two heads are NOT better than one. We can also forget tea for two or that in marriage two persons become one. A jilted lover will have to call his/her ex a one-timing so and so. Cool.
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Post by michaelsees on Aug 29, 2010 16:51:08 GMT -5
;D Michael's me is my me, too. This proves that it only takes one to tango and that two heads are NOT better than one. We can also forget tea for two or that in marriage two persons become one. A jilted lover will have to call his/her ex a one-timing so and so. Cool.
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Post by enigma on Aug 30, 2010 1:48:27 GMT -5
Good morning Enigma. I will try share with you what I know to be true for me. What do I mean by a life being one non-dual experience. It's all me. The life that I see,touch, feel, love, hate are parts of the experience but I am the Life itself there is no other. I find language to be always limited when using it to explain various concepts etc. When I say you and I are one what does that mean to you or to your neighbor or the person on the street? It can only mean that you see yourself and the other as one. However what is missing is the actual realization of that phrase you and I are one. You may think it, you may believe it, you may even sense that there is no separation but without the actual realization of "no-other" they are only constructs of your mind . The absolute truth is there is only one and that one is you the real you but to say this in words is an insult to the truth. It is far better and easier just being than to try to think one's way into being. When you can simply do that you need nothing else. As a matter of fact you never needed anything else. I like to say "God put a hood over his own head" and all you ever needed to do is to remove it. Peace michael Okay, thanks, Michael.
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Post by michaelsees on Aug 30, 2010 8:28:09 GMT -5
Good morning Enigma. I will try share with you what I know to be true for me. What do I mean by a life being one non-dual experience. It's all me. The life that I see,touch, feel, love, hate are parts of the experience but I am the Life itself there is no other. I find language to be always limited when using it to explain various concepts etc. When I say you and I are one what does that mean to you or to your neighbor or the person on the street? It can only mean that you see yourself and the other as one. However what is missing is the actual realization of that phrase you and I are one. You may think it, you may believe it, you may even sense that there is no separation but without the actual realization of "no-other" they are only constructs of your mind . The absolute truth is there is only one and that one is you the real you but to say this in words is an insult to the truth. It is far better and easier just being than to try to think one's way into being. When you can simply do that you need nothing else. As a matter of fact you never needed anything else. I like to say "God put a hood over his own head" and all you ever needed to do is to remove it. Peace michael Okay, thanks, Michael.
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Post by boldieu on Sept 10, 2010 10:32:20 GMT -5
why worry about others? why evaluate anyone else's "status"? if we spend more time in our self, its the very best to be done. If "we" are doing it. As long as we feel that we are someone, we gotta do something, right?
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Post by enigma on Sept 11, 2010 10:59:58 GMT -5
We're all looking into mirrors. If that's noticed, it can be very useful.
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