toward or away from awakening?

[robert]

are any of these debates actually headed toward awakening or are we just walking in circles intellectually. to some, in any field, the seeking is much more important than the actual finding.
if we are a debate team lets go win some trophies and if we are awaking the hell up team then lets please stop wasting time arguing semantics and get busy. which i suppose is why this is a solitary activity not an aa formatted meeting. (no offense to aa they do good work for a lot of people) it just doesn't seem that waking up can be group oriented.
good luck.

[ravenscroft]

Robert, for the most part I agree with you

their are no questions or answers to this stuff

all the talk is an attempt to contain that which has no boundaries

but we have no free will, so we do it

so it isn't us posting, its the universe posting (or you) posting

[dei]

And from someone who is not awake i think most of it is just words words words... but once in awhile i get a kick in the head from enigma, zd or one of the other clear ones, who remind IT of the Truth and "i" find a new level of emptiness that might not have been found for another year without this particular kick. So i am grateful for being slapped around by those who Know. Is there progress? How can there be progress "towards" that which already is?

This dog continues to chase its tail... but at least recognizes an empty tail when she bites it.

[robert]

you know jim that sounds like an answer but it's not. i really mean no disrespect, i catch myself here as well, people get uncomfortable in situations where they are outside of their sphere of ease. anyone can find their center eating a piece of cake (no offense) but where does that center go when someone slaps that wall built of comfortable terms and definitions to the ground. are we still good or do we find out that the ego was just letting you believe that you or i had gained some sense of truth. while it stretched another layer of denial around and over us.

[dei]

I don't know... but i also don't care. This is what i do... this is what engages 'me'... it feels good most of the time.

Why are you questioning it? Why do you care? Who's asking the questions? It's all so empty.

[zendancer]

Indeed! As if any of us has a choice in posting here! LOL. I, for one, can't help myself. I can't help myself. I can't help myself. Chuckle, chuckle, giggle, gasp.....wheeze.

[robert]

dei- i care because it is an exercise for 'me'. and if you truly didn't care you would not engage at all. it's questions such as this that allow me to bring the ego's, specifically my own out to play. we are all so busy patting each other on the back. why do you think that some writer's have called spirituality mayas' final guard barring the door to truth? because it's comfortable, learn the language and it's easy enough to convince ourselves that we are progressing throw around a few phrases that we read somewhere. if the price of truth is everything to me that means everything, specifically me.
later.

[loverofall]

A person posts that posting here takes you farther away. Is that a paradox?

[zendancer]

No. It's just another idea. Closer? Farther? Hello.

[klaus]

robert,

I sense your frustration.

Yes, we throw around words like enlightenment, unimaginable, that, it, mystery, and there are some on this forum who have experienced "something" that these words point to.

But they have no meaning to those who have not experienced this "something." Yes methods are suggested and I wonder at the results these methods produce.

Are they truly "trancendent" or just another point of view of the ego.
We know so little of the body/mind relationship.

This forum allows us to explore this relationship and the states of consciousness by letting others relate consciousness states they've experienced.

Take what you can from this forum if it resonates with you and what does not question and question again.

The "Truth" is not black and white. Keep the debate going.

[frankshank]

Robert is a guest poster. I thought guest posts weren't permitted anymore?!

[ravenscroft]

I post for the same reason I eat a sandwich

or inhale every few seconds

because I have NO CHOICE

it was decided a billion years ago by the way some random star split apart most likely

who knows?

[karen]

Jul 22, 2010 11:17:00 GMT -5 @robert said:

are any of these debates actually headed toward awakening or are we just walking in circles intellectually. to some, in any field, the seeking is much more important than the actual finding.
if we are a debate team lets go win some trophies and if we are awaking the hell up team then lets please stop wasting time arguing semantics and get busy. which i suppose is why this is a solitary activity not an aa formatted meeting. (no offense to aa they do good work for a lot of people) it just doesn't seem that waking up can be group oriented.
good luck.

Your debate topic here is an interesting one...

[lobo]

I sometimes learn something form these discussions.
I also noticed that many many here are on the same wavelenght. I will be formulating a post and find that someone else just wrote essentially the same thing

[runstill]

Hi Burt interesting your comment about the wavelength thing I
thought it was only happening to me.

I wonder if any one else has had the same experience