dave
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Post by dave on Jul 13, 2010 14:52:23 GMT -5
Thanks, Zendancer. Glad to 'be' 'here'.
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Post by Portto on Jul 13, 2010 16:50:02 GMT -5
Glad to 'be' 'here'. You have been assimilated. Welcome to the collective! ;D
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Post by question on Jul 13, 2010 19:12:20 GMT -5
Glad to 'be' 'here'. You have been assimilated. Welcome to the collective! ;D Resistance is futile.
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Post by enigma on Jul 13, 2010 22:36:54 GMT -5
"I take the opposite tack from Jed."
Yeah, Jed can get pretty spiritually incorrect at times. Hehe. I mentioned that to Dave with the intention that we get clear about his situation. What begins as "I'm getting the feeling that enlightenment is for chickens" can be clarified to read "to be honest it scares the living bejesus out of me...'. What looks a bit like: "'I'm just not seeing/feeling the draw." on closer inspection is more like: "I seem to have ventured too near the whirlpool...". The latter is a more productive and honest focus, is all. Dave will have more than enough chances, I expect, to thumb his nose at the devil, up close and personal.
Actually, there's a bit more to what Jed said, but I'll have to paraphrase:
Jed: Don't go for enlightenment unless you absolutely have no choice. Student: So what would you do in my position? Jed: I'd chew my arm off to get out of that prison......
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Post by zendancer on Jul 14, 2010 8:34:42 GMT -5
"I take the opposite tack from Jed." Yeah, Jed can get pretty spiritually incorrect at times. Hehe. I mentioned that to Dave with the intention that we get clear about his situation. What begins as "I'm getting the feeling that enlightenment is for chickens" can be clarified to read "to be honest it scares the living bejesus out of me...'. What looks a bit like: "'I'm just not seeing/feeling the draw." on closer inspection is more like: "I seem to have ventured too near the whirlpool...". The latter is a more productive and honest focus, is all. Dave will have more than enough chances, I expect, to thumb his nose at the devil, up close and personal. Actually, there's a bit more to what Jed said, but I'll have to paraphrase: Jed: Don't go for enlightenment unless you absolutely have no choice. Student: So what would you do in my position? Jed: I'd chew my arm off to get out of that prison...... E: Ha ha. That's funny. I interpreted Dave's comments in the other direction. I thought he was saying that the typical teaching on non duality struck him as a pablum path, and that it would be much more heroic and interesting to live in a reality that offers randomness and unknown challenges in contrast to a kumbayah blissful kind of sameness resulting from oneness. Needless to say, I would say that the world of oneness is far from sameness and would give him all the blood-curdling excitement he could wish for, but maybe Dave can clarify his earlier post when he gets a chance.
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dave
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Post by dave on Jul 14, 2010 9:02:31 GMT -5
Zendancer -
My thinking was indeed that it would be much braver to stick it out here on the karmaic circus wheel ducking knives and darts while the crowd 'oooed' and 'aaahed'...
But after a while even the best bread and circuses grow stale, I suppose, and one eventually must turn inward, however unpleasant...
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Post by zendancer on Jul 14, 2010 10:59:32 GMT -5
Zendancer - My thinking was indeed that it would be much braver to stick it out here on the karmaic circus wheel ducking knives and darts while the crowd 'oooed' and 'aaahed'... But after a while even the best bread and circuses grow stale, I suppose, and one eventually must turn inward, however unpleasant... Dave: There is nothing inherently wrong with imagining anything, but it is, after all, imagining. The two scenarios you outline are both imaginary. The truth cannot be imagined, so anyone who seeks the truth will sooner or later have to leave imagination behind and venture into the unknown. The real question is what do you want, the world that you imagine or the truth?
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