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Post by charliegee on Jul 7, 2010 11:57:28 GMT -5
thanks karen, I've read and reread your post and respect your views on this ... don't know that I'd equate an animal hunting for food and the senseless murder of a human being ... this 'all is relative stuff' is very disturbing because it opens up areas of thought that could become dangerous in the wrong hands ... I think that history shows this to a degree, but again, maybe I have the wrong slant on this and I'm missing something ... as for oneness, I think I have an intimation of that since my wife died and I was rid, delivered if you will, of a host of destructive behaviors ... finding things out for yourself is also very good advice ... I do find that at times other people define my experience more accurately than I do having the objectivity to see things that I don't ... anyway thanks for posting what you did, I do appreciate it ...
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Post by charliegee on Jul 7, 2010 12:00:43 GMT -5
souley, I'll second that cup of java on your terrace statement ...
peace, charlie gee
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Post by waddicalwabbit on Jul 7, 2010 14:22:22 GMT -5
Thank you all. This has been helpful.
I know this has all been addressed before, but for those of us who still spend a lot of time in separation, this is helpful. I 'get it', I've test driven it and even live it with some regularity, but it doesn't feel completely resolved. I'm just poking at the illusion from every direction I can find. 'Oh, is that a button? Let's push it! How does that feel? Do we need to push it some more? Yes? OK. Let's push it again? Anything left there? Should we push it some more?'
ZD, seems like there is big benefit for me in spending more time being without the interpretation. Practice more. I meditate a lot, but maybe polishing the RV without the mind chattering away or mowing the lawn or as LOA or Enigma said (can't scroll back far enough) being in each and every now. How about this one?
I've spent so much energy propping up the mind/ego thing that it's not surprising that my energy is often low. Really. I'm beginning to equate the cancer with the ego/mind. Hmmmm. There are tears in this now.
I think there IS a rebuilding of neural pathways, new ways of being, new habits, the most important being the continual coming back to What Is.
Thank you ALL for your patience and kindness and relentless reminders. Feels like love to this wabbit.
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Post by ravenscroft on Jul 7, 2010 15:15:51 GMT -5
just want to second what wabbit says
very good thread
I hope I don't come across as some kind of nut-job
with my rantings
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Post by waddicalwabbit on Jul 7, 2010 15:20:47 GMT -5
Raven, Of COURSE you're a nut job. All of my dearest confidants are nut jobs! Thank YOU SO MUCH for being one too. I hope to achieve similar status. Hey, maybe we could institute a nut job rating along with the karma rating?
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Post by karen on Jul 7, 2010 19:02:16 GMT -5
thanks karen, I've read and reread your post and respect your views on this ... don't know that I'd equate an animal hunting for food and the senseless murder of a human being ... this 'all is relative stuff' is very disturbing because it opens up areas of thought that could become dangerous in the wrong hands ... I think that history shows this to a degree, but again, maybe I have the wrong slant on this and I'm missing something ... as for oneness, I think I have an intimation of that since my wife died and I was rid, delivered if you will, of a host of destructive behaviors ... finding things out for yourself is also very good advice ... I do find that at times other people define my experience more accurately than I do having the objectivity to see things that I don't ... anyway thanks for posting what you did, I do appreciate it ... Hi Charlie. I'm not sure you wanted to continue with me on this, but I will take a stab: Or course you cannot equate an animal hunting for food with a person killing another person for senseless reasons. Why? Because you have defined it so - one is senseless and one is for food. But in the lion and cub situation: lion's will often kill the cubs of their vanquished foe so the lioness will get back in heat. Of take chimpanzees who will war with neighbor chimp tribes and kill them. You might say there is some reasoning behind these actions, so it is excusable. But I submit there is a reason behind every human murder. Demented, profoundly immature, and based on sheer ignorance yes - but a reason nonetheless.
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Post by karen on Jul 7, 2010 19:07:37 GMT -5
BTW, as far is this stuff getting in the wrong hands: I submit the "wrong hands" don't need any excuse to do what they do.
In my case, from an external POV, someone might think I have uber high ethics, but I do not hold onto any such beliefs (knowingly). It seems letting go of the super-natural moral continuum concept has just made me more forgiving.
But definitely don't take my word for it that's for sure!
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Post by charliegee on Jul 7, 2010 21:27:01 GMT -5
good points Karen ... how are you doing? ...
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Post by enigma on Jul 7, 2010 23:52:22 GMT -5
As a result of some kundalini nonsense that goes on here, my energy responds directly to the depth and potential of what is beneath the words i'm reading. The combination of one of charlie's poems, and the organic movement of life, death, suffering and awakening on this thread has me in some serious illusory pain at the moment so i won't continue the focus right now, but for whatever it's worth, i honor what's moving behind the words here. Good stuff!
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Post by waddicalwabbit on Jul 8, 2010 0:19:15 GMT -5
sending love, enigma. Pain, illusory or otherwise can be a bitch. We're all here with you.
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Post by waddicalwabbit on Jul 8, 2010 0:23:20 GMT -5
my language has markedly improved since i started filtering it through this proboard software!
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Post by enigma on Jul 8, 2010 1:27:12 GMT -5
Thanks wabbit. Wounded healers have the most amazing compassion. I'm fine, nothing a few Tylenols won't take care of. I only meant to mention the potential transformative power of this thread, as indicated by my 'kundalini meter'.
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Post by karen on Jul 8, 2010 18:39:09 GMT -5
Charlie: I'm well. thanks!
I have to agree with enigma - this is a powerful thread.
I wrote probably 5 or so replies that I deleted upon reviewing them, and while my mind was chugging away at thinking about how to answer in other ways, I noticed that my clarity on this topic is rather shallow. I still am experiencing believing guilt thoughts. If I really believed what I've been writing through and through, I don't think there would be guilt.
More to notice.
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Post by charliegee on Jul 8, 2010 22:08:55 GMT -5
not so easy to put into words, no ... and possibly understood on an intellectual level more than anything else ... at least for me ... glad you are well though ...
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Post by ravenscroft on Jul 8, 2010 22:11:58 GMT -5
hey my answer to the title of this thread is...
yes, everything is always wrong
ever new born baby, every sinner, saint, death camp, every miracle
all of it - the blackest lies at the center of man and his divided perception of that which is- shall I say?
boundless
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