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Post by Santosh on May 16, 2010 11:56:26 GMT -5
Namaste! Just want to share with you this site and teacher who I believe to be the real thing. No I don't have anything to do with him although he speaks very similar to my Guru. Especially liked the e-book Autobiography of a Jnani where Ed guides a experienced Kriya Yoga practitioner in the art o self inquiry. What does the board think. If you think ha ha. itisnotreal.com/itisnotreal.com/new_site_home_page.htmitisnotreal.blogspot.com/OM Santosh |
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Post by zendancer on May 16, 2010 15:53:18 GMT -5
Santosh: It appears to be an excellent site that includes very clear teaching.
I had forgotten about Robert Adams, but as I read some of the material on the site, the story came back to me from twenty years ago. If I remember correctly, Adams saw Ramana Maharshi in his bedroom when he was a child. He didn't know who it was, but years later he saw a picture of Ramana and realized that he was the old guy who had been in his bedroom when he was a youngster. Adams was truly a mysterious character, but when I was trying to find out more information about him, the internet wasn't yet available. It will be fun to find out more of the story when I get some free time.
Thanks for the link to Ed, Adams, et al.
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Post by Santosh on May 16, 2010 22:19:49 GMT -5
Namaste again!
I thought you would like it. Always get a big transmission of shakti and the mind slows down when reading his sites. Loves when that happens there is no arguing with it, truth beyond words.
Yes Robert Adams met both Yogananda, Ramana, he was indeed appearing in his room as a child and Nisargadatta. i think I read that he realized himself as a boy sitting in the classroom, guess some people are just ripe.
OM
Santosh
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Post by frankshank on May 17, 2010 13:12:59 GMT -5
"Mostly, he was free of emotion, and had been criticized by his family for expressing no emotion at his mother’s funeral, which he attended some years after he first returned to America. Without expressed emotional cues, it was always hard to ‘read’ Robert and sometimes his quietness and withdrawal felt somewhat cold to me. But there was no coldness there; there was a lack of presence. He was not there. Someone who was not there cannot be expected to be there in a human-emotional sort of way. He did not even pretend to be there in a socially acceptable way." I read stories like this and it confirms to me why I have severe reservations about enlightenment. If I want to be a zombie I'll just get a lobotomy done. Dream the dream!  |
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Post by Myself on May 17, 2010 13:40:01 GMT -5
The creators of this website claim that "what is" is created by the human mind.
That without mind and words, there is nothing!
This seems to contradict what Zendancer is saying: that when the thinking mind is turned off, we only see what is (the present moment).
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Post by zendancer on May 17, 2010 19:33:25 GMT -5
The creators of this website claim that "what is" is created by the human mind. That without mind and words, there is nothing! This seems to contradict what Zendancer is saying: that when the thinking mind is turned off, we only see what is (the present moment). Myself: I don;t think there is any contradiction here. We can point to the absolute world perceived directly through the senses with the phrase "what is" or we can say that the world perceived that way is nothing (no thing) and contains nothing (no things). If we look at what a rose IS, without cognition, we see "what is," beyond name and form. What we are looking at is no thing (nothing) because we are not imagining what we see. |
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Post by zendancer on May 17, 2010 19:52:44 GMT -5
"Mostly, he was free of emotion, and had been criticized by his family for expressing no emotion at his mother’s funeral, which he attended some years after he first returned to America. Without expressed emotional cues, it was always hard to ‘read’ Robert and sometimes his quietness and withdrawal felt somewhat cold to me. But there was no coldness there; there was a lack of presence. He was not there. Someone who was not there cannot be expected to be there in a human-emotional sort of way. He did not even pretend to be there in a socially acceptable way." I read stories like this and it confirms to me why I have severe reservations about enlightenment. If I want to be a zombie I'll just get a lobotomy done. Dream the dream! Andy: People seek enlightenment for lots of reasons. Some people want to find out what's going on. Some people want to find God. Some people want freedom. Each body/mind brings a unique set of circumstances and issues to the search, and each person responds differently to what is discovered. I have met at least a dozen people who have awakened, and not one of them struck me as zombie-like. I have read the biographies of hundreds of people who became enlightened, but only a small percentage of them would fall into the category of "seriously strange." Adams may have been one of those, but it's been so long since I read about him, I've forgotten most of the details. The bottom line is this: what do you want? If you want the truth, or you want to find God, or you want to understand what's going on, then you have to be prepared to give up all of your ideas and enter the unknown. FWIW, I have never met anyone who woke up and saw through the illusion of selfhood who was unhappy about what was discovered. |
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Post by Myself on May 17, 2010 22:13:03 GMT -5
Thank you, Zendancer!
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Post by karen on May 17, 2010 22:34:55 GMT -5
"Mostly, he was free of emotion, and had been criticized by his family for expressing no emotion at his mother’s funeral, which he attended some years after he first returned to America. Without expressed emotional cues, it was always hard to ‘read’ Robert and sometimes his quietness and withdrawal felt somewhat cold to me. But there was no coldness there; there was a lack of presence. He was not there. Someone who was not there cannot be expected to be there in a human-emotional sort of way. He did not even pretend to be there in a socially acceptable way." I read stories like this and it confirms to me why I have severe reservations about enlightenment. If I want to be a zombie I'll just get a lobotomy done. Dream the dream! He probably had something like Asperger's. |
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Post by frankshank on May 18, 2010 3:27:22 GMT -5
Bob: I've pretty much decided (or have I) that I don't want to wake up. Certainly not right now anyway. There's too much unfinished business in my dream. There's too much fun to be had letting the dream play out. Yes I can still have fun observing the dream playing out but I'd rather fool myself into thinking I have control. When I pull off the most amazing handbrake turn sitting in the most amazing sports car, I'm taking the credit. LOL.
With regards to Robert Adams he probably was just a little strange anyway for whatever reason. He's not the first enlightened person to be accused of being emotionless though is he?! Tony Parsons can act a little strange aswell. He comes across in a really colourful big personality way and then occasionally he stares blankly and its rather creepy to be honest.
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Post by zendancer on May 18, 2010 8:01:03 GMT -5
Andy: Karen may be right about Adams. Folks with Aspergers can be brilliant but anti-social. I just finished reading "The Big Short" (which I highly recommend) about the recent financial meltdown, and one of the lead characters had that malady. Rinzai was a famous Zen Master, but he hung out with a seriously over-the-top guy named Fukei who was always doing weird stuff. Socrates was considered strange by many of his contemporaries and reportedly would stop and stare into space for long periods of time. Videos of Hanuman, an advaita teacher from Seattle, show him drifting off into samadhi (or some sort of silent meditation) during his talks, and there are a few others who have exhibited some type of psychological disconnect, but these folks seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
BTW, I can identify with the handbrake trick. Having owned a high-powered corvette and ten or more Porsches in the past, I have done things in sports cars that make it a wonder this body/mind is still here. I always wanted to drive a 917 Porsche flat out around the roadcourse at Road Atlanta but never got the chance. There is nothing more fun than four-wheel drifting a sports car through ess curves using only the accelerator for directional control!
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Post by karen on May 18, 2010 11:38:41 GMT -5
This might not mean a whole lot without the accompanying realization, but I've seen that emotions are not the same thing as feelings. Or at least in my experience, they are different.
Emotions are a mind tool to get what it wants. It accomplishes this by making some things/actions seem more attractive and wondrous, and other things/actions less attractive and wonderful. But the mind can't actually make things wondrous or attractive. It can only hide attraction and wonder by turning your attention onto its own scale of values. It's a gimmick.
And the mind thinks that if everything were the same, than everything would be beige and boring. But in reality with the mind out of the way everything is wondrous and attractive in its own-right.
As far as giving up sports cars and things like that, I see no need to give them up. But if they fall away they fall away. If they don't - they don't.
But if the interest did fall away, it would be like when I was a kid, I loved "Scooby-Doo". It felt like I'd love it forever. But then I lost interest as I grew up a little. And now I don't lament the loss.
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Post by frankshank on May 19, 2010 6:24:08 GMT -5
Karen: You make an interesting point with regards to the difference between expressed emotions and feelings/compassion. What I'm trying to get across is that I feel no desperate need to wake up and to me that's cool. If the ego isn't seen through it's no big deal. I (the ego) am happy to take the good and the bad (as I perceive it) for now and to experience life as the doer. It's all good because ultimately nothing really matters and whether you figure that out seeing through the illusion of the ego or not doesn't really matter. Things can change though and my perspective may shift sometime soon. Que sera sera. Bob: I haven't owned any sports cars, but I have owned some fastish cars. It's something I really need to cross off the list at some stage. Lots of fun to be had in fast cars!  |
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Post by karen on May 19, 2010 11:30:42 GMT -5
Hey no problems. This is your path, and this is probably how you're waking up. You are here after all.
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Post by lobo on May 31, 2010 20:33:50 GMT -5
Hello frankshank, I am not following you very well I suspect. Can I ask how you know that ultimately nothing really matters? Is this a statement of your personal belief? or something that oyu know? Your other remarks seem to say you are not seeking anything, just taking everything as it comes and you are happy with that. Personally I think this is a good to be ok with what is, but some have a force pulling them in various directions other than. Can I ask why you are posting here? I am not saying you shouldn't be, but you do not come across as a troll and is there maybe something else there pulling you along? If it all ego games then I personally would find more entertainment elsewhere, but that is just me. These are real questions my friend. This is not confrontational in any way. Possibly there is something to uncover. ... What I'm trying to get across is that I feel no desperate need to wake up and to me that's cool. If the ego isn't seen through it's no big deal. I (the ego) am happy to take the good and the bad (as I perceive it) for now and to experience life as the doer. It's all good because ultimately nothing really matters and whether you figure that out seeing through the illusion of the ego or not doesn't really matter. Things can change though and my perspective may shift sometime soon. Que sera sera. |
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