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Post by zendancer on May 9, 2010 9:22:39 GMT -5
I had some thoughts along the lines of ZD's. The thoughts actually started when I read the comment "I fall in and out of presence". My first thought was, 'Well, no, you don't. As presence, you fall in and out of thought', which reminded me that every woo woo experience, every moment of unspeakable Peace, every 'God tear', happened in my absence. The recognition of Love happened in the absence of either lover or beloved, and so there is no question of it being 'my' doing. This seems to be a critical discovery as it irrevocably alters the perceptions that 'I need resolution' or 'I'm straddling the fence', or 'I fall out of presence'. It becomes clear that in 20 years, 'I' haven't moved an inch closer, nor could I move an inch away. I'm not moving at all. In 20 years, I haven't learned anything that is of benefit, but i have unlearned. When unlearning is the goal, the process changes and the point of reference changes. It's no longer 'I fall in and out of Love, Joy, Peace', but rather 'Oh, my, what an interesting thought.' That's beautifully stated. |
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Post by wilson on May 9, 2010 9:23:30 GMT -5
okay everyone these are some ideas that i can use.
zen- i can get out of the head (notice i didn't say my head). the body becoming a barrier is the most difficult thing for me and i forget that it's not a hinderance it's the tool.
enigma- completely useful to me i need the falling out of thought thing tatooed on my forehead. and the unlearning is something that i have read about and thought oh sure i'm just going to unlearn everything (not literally everything) but you know. and i have discovered that unlearning is darn near impossible. i have never heard anyone do much more than just skim over that aspect because how do you unlearn? is it just through a type of detatchment or pulling back of attention. there are so many hardwired learned behaviors that have literally become our nature (as humans) not our real nature but they don't just disappear because you say so.
karen- i know what you mean about the knowledge not being enough. i suppose it's a lot like learning a musical instrument (which i don't) but it has to become that much a part of us.
thank you all. today has been a gift for me.
wilson
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Post by karen on May 9, 2010 10:13:40 GMT -5
I don't think you need to unlearn anything. More like unbelieve everything.
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Post by vacant on May 9, 2010 10:16:27 GMT -5
Hi Wilson,
In my experience the unlearning process is a properly humbling path. There is not so much a method or a direction we can apply ourselves to, but more of a discovering that what we thought to know… we DON”T know! And that it’s all totally fine like that.
Until there’s another fact or idea we cling to as if it were reliable… and that is not known either.
Some unlearning happens, some relinquishing of the steering, and at least in my case staying as close as possible to the longing and craving, without ever thinking to put there any form of resolution. It is not so terribly difficult to unlearn when realising that while swimming in illusion we JUST THOUGHT we knew anything.
BTW, that includes ideas being brandished on these pages, and considering them “useful” would be futile. They only point lovingly to where useful has no meaning.
Thank you for your posts.
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Post by wilson on May 9, 2010 10:51:19 GMT -5
vacant- " properly humbling" is exactly how it feels to me . this entire thread is exactly what i needed, not to need, simple well stated clear thoughts where the sediment has been allowed to settle to the bottom. this has to be the gateless gate, always open leading you precisely where you didn't know you needed to go. properly humbled this garment of constricting ideas slips from the shoulders. nothing more to say.
with gratitude.
wilson
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