The game of life !!! or is life a game ?

[philemon]

Dear all

I have been reading different treads during a periode of time !!!

I am left with following questions ?

When I fall asleep where am I then ??

Is there a soul or Is there a spirit or is there a spirit and a soul world

The people that I can see haves experience with reality do they percive more worlds or just one world.
Are you able to observe different aspect of the reality ?

What is the purpose of the idea human ?

How come that when I have the idea human I dont have the idea of zendancer, enigma, philemon ---------

looking forward to hear from you all

philemon

[enigma]

"When I fall asleep where am I then ??"

A fun way to look at it is that when you're in deep sleep, you're actually awake, and when you wake up, you fall asleep. You're always right here, but when consciousness is present, you create a world of perception in which you seem to be the central character of this dream.

It's interesting and engaging, but train wrecks are also interesting and engaging, at least until they aren't anymore. You love deep sleep because this is freedom from the burden of apparently having to hold your life up. Your whole world disappears every night, and yet you remain. The rhetorical question is, what are you without your world?

[robert]

these are wonderful games for distraction games but only for distraction. all of the questions have answers once the semantic guidelines have been established and agreed upon.

[philemon]

Dear all

I am not enligted as you probaly can see from my questions !!

But I still interested in your answers from my questions

Speciel the question

Why the idea Human being ??

Why the idea Enigma Robert Zendancer Philemon ect

It might distract but I dont mind being distracted. I am doing what I do as I must do because I have no freedom to do otherwise

with love philemon

[karen]

The only reason to have an idea of human is to separate it from everything else rhetorically. The only reason to have names are to separate individuals from everyone else. Proper names are used to convey specific information in a specific direction.

If I shouted your name in a room, it really means "prepare for information".

By doing this we get cars and houses and iPhones, etc..

All these interesting facts (like what names are for) pop up when doing self inquiry and meditation, but they can be a big distraction along the way. But with me, I had to get tired of these novel insights and learn that they themselves have little value.

[philemon]

Dear Karen

This is not about names !!! If you look on concept Human being you dont have concept of me !!!

If you look on concept lion you have looked on all concepts of lion

So There is huge differens between human being and every thing els you percieve in the world !

My question is therfor why the difference between human beings and every thing els.

Dont answer please !!! that we are all one as there is a huge difference in every people

Just look on the biografi on evvery indivudel. So why the iDEA of human being ?

Why if we look on paintings and the devolpment of those do they show a different perception devolpment

[lightmystic]

Why does the relative exist? Do you feel like there is a purposelessness in the relative? If you do, I certainly understand. But the question "why" implies one separate thing needing to do another separate thing for another separate thing. If there's no separation, the question doesn't really make sense.
And it's not that there is no purpose or that I'm avoiding answering the question. It's just that it's no one reason as OPPOSED to any other. And any of those reasons are 100% valid from my perspective (but, again, not to the exclusion of any other).

[frankshank]

Phil: From a oneness perspective IT is playing all of the parts. Therefore the differences are illusory. From my perspective I think that differences in our bodies & life experience produce different results. I think what enlightened beings/people are tapping into is our emptiness (lack of freewill) and that this is being misconstrued as oneness. I could be totally wrong but this is where I stand presently.

[zendancer]

Philemon: I'm not sure, but I think you're asking, "why does the human mind abstract classes of things?" Is that correct?

When we look at reality, when we look at ___________(pure existence--that which cannot be imagined or named), the intellect begins imagining and making distinctions. The psychology of this is analyzed in some Zen books, particularly "Zen Training" by Sekida. It has to do with something Zen people call "nens." We distinguish a particular "thing" by imagining a set of artificial boundaries between two states differing in value. An imaginary object can only be known in relation to an imaginary state of that-which-is-not the object. This is how individual objects are perceived on the screen of the mind--in our imagination. The same process allows us to distinguish classes of things, such as human beings or lions. The words, names, or symbols we use are distinguished and applied after the initial process of ideation. Words then stand in place of the ideas that stand in place of reality.

Buddhists explain the sense of personal selfhood we feel as something that arises from the five skandas, or aggregates, of form, feelings, perceptions, impulses, and consciousness.

In writing about levels of consciousness Sekida says:

1) The uppermost level is where thoughts and ideas come and go.
2) The next level is the level that understands but does not form ideas.
3) The third level is the level that is only aware.
4) The fourth level simply reflects interior and exterior objects as a mirror does. Traces of the reflecting action of consciousness will occasionally appear, but only sporadically.
5) The deepest level is where not even the faintest reflecting action of consciousness penetrates.

This last level is called "no-thought samadhi" or "absolute samadhi." It corresponds to the eighth ox-herding picture of Zen--No ox, no man.

The ninth stage is called "Returning to the source," and the tenth stage is called "Entering the marketplace with helping hands." In this idealized final stage every attainment and experience is forgotten, and one simply enjoys helping people while appreciating the beauty and wonder of the infinite.

This is just some background information. All of the questions you asked are koans. If someone answers them for you, the answers will not have any power. You already know the answers, but you will have to become silent and let the answers rise to the level of consciousness. Answers coming from within yourself will have significant power.

Someone once asked a spiritual master, "Why is the world the way it is?" The master replied, "The oak tree in the garden."

Why are you asking why?
Because you have to!
Because this is the nature of reality--to grow a body/mind that seeks answers to questions.
You already understand this.

Is there a soul? What is spirit? Become silent, look within, and the answers to these and all other questions will appear. Trust yourself 100%. The Bible says, "Seek and ye shall find." The second verse of Gospel of Thomas reads: "Jesus said, "let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

I wouldn't use the phrase "rule over the All." I would say, "and he will give thanks, celebrate, and worship the All." Maybe the Gnostics or the Essenes misinterpreted this line! LOL.

[maggie]

Thanks Z.D. I loved this post....

[philemon]

To all

My question is more in the range of how come that some people are atracted to Find enlighment and others are not ?

Why are we born as induviduel when we are are all in one

I found today something in a book that I find stimulating

Before they eyes can see, they must be incaplble of tears.
Before they the ear can hear, it must have lost its sensitevernes.
Before the voice can speak in presence of the Masters it must have lost the power to wound.
Before the soul can stand in the presence of the Masters its feet must be washed in the blood of the heart.

I found a another passage in a old text I have

When the aspirant for enlightenment has become proficent in allowing such truths to dwell within his being for some time, if he has accepted them in thankfulness towrd those who rewaeled thrm to him, then he will at last reach a special point, which sooner or later becomes availble to everybody who has allowed tranquility and silence to come fruition in his soul. This is the moment when his soul begins to speak, when his own inner being begins to percieve the great, eternal truths.
Then suddenly the world around him lights up in colors never seen before. something becomes audible that he had never heard before. the world radiate in a new light and radiance ray toward him from the soul realm and the new sounds he hears come to him from the spirit realm. it is the characterictic of the soul world that one "SEES" it
It is equally characteristic of the spirit world that one "HEARS" it

I would love to have comments

[zendancer]

Philemon:

You wrote: "My question is more in the range of how/why are some people attracted to find enlightment and others are not ?

Answers:
1: If you stop thinking, you will understand.
2. This is the way YOU want it to be.
3. How do I know? Because this is the way it IS.
4. What this IS is a mystery.
5. I hold up one finger in silence.
6. I remain silent and simply smile.

All of these answers are pointing at the same thing.

You wrote: "Why are we born as individuals when we are all one?
Answer: We are NOT born as individuals. That is the fundamental illusion. Who we are is what is aware of what body/minds imagine to be separate individuals.

You included two quotes:

"Before the eyes can see, they must be incaplble of tears.
Before the ear can hear, it must have lost its sensitevernes.
Before the voice can speak in presence of the Masters it must have lost the power to wound.
Before the soul can stand in the presence of the Masters its feet must be washed in the blood of the heart.

When the aspirant for enlightenment has become proficent in allowing such truths to dwell within his being for some time, if he has accepted them in thankfulness towrd those who rewaeled thrm to him, then he will at last reach a special point, which sooner or later becomes availble to everybody who has allowed tranquility and silence to come fruition in his soul. This is the moment when his soul begins to speak, when his own inner being begins to percieve the great, eternal truths.
Then suddenly the world around him lights up in colors never seen before. something becomes audible that he had never heard before. the world radiate in a new light and radiance ray toward him from the soul realm and the new sounds he hears come to him from the spirit realm. it is the characterictic of the soul world that one "SEES" it. It is equally characteristic of the spirit world that one "HEARS" it"

These are metaphorical statements pointing to what happens as spiritual seekers get in touch with the truth of their being. They begin to look and listen to something deeper than the "roofbrain chatter" and "cartoon images" of the mind, and they shift from head-knowing to heart-knowing. After making this transition, the world is seen and understood in a radically different way.