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Post by cabinintheforest on Apr 2, 2010 14:22:30 GMT -5
Ok i have a question.
On this forum it seems most people seem to be tied with zen buddhism and non dualism.
So what does non dualism teach about evolution?
What do you think about evolution?
Not spiritual evolution i am talking about physical evolution.
Is that an illusion to you? Or do you believe in the theory of evolution.
Iv read over a few posts on the forum, some people believe the earth is millions of years old? So you do believe in physical evolution then?
Just an interesting question, considering most religions do not accept the theory of evolution.
How does evolution and non-dualism fit together?
If people could answer these questions that would be great. Thanks.
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Post by lightmystic on Apr 2, 2010 14:32:43 GMT -5
To me, nonduality is the recognition that any idea of anything is just that - an idea. It's a story. Any story suggests, even requires limitations in order to be appreciated. But, prior to thought, more fundamental than thought is just.....Isness.....what ZD calls ________
and that says it well in my opinion. So, within the story, there can be all kinds of ideas, including karma, and growth, and evolution, etc.....
but it's what's outside all that which is completely relevant, because that is what we are - closer than our own breath. It does not come and go...... it brings fulfillment, completion and safety to any story. It brings peace.....
Does that make sense?
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Post by Portto on Apr 2, 2010 16:30:59 GMT -5
Evolution is a fancy word for change.
Evolution is change with an assumed direction or purpose.
So, the question now becomes "how do change and nondualism fit together?"
What changes and what remains the same?
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Post by eputkonen on Apr 3, 2010 9:00:14 GMT -5
Nondualism does not teach anything about evolution. The world is an illusion. An illusion that is ever changing. Evolution is just a concept about some of the change inside of the illusion.
Let us say you are an archeologist that loves his job so much that he dreams about digging up dinosaurs and uncovering ancient ruins. How old are those dinosaurs and ruins that he is digging up in his dream? This world is a dream.
(another way of looking at it)
Non-dualism doesn't care about evolution (or whether if it is even true or not). All that really matters is right now...and the question who are you/what are you?
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Post by zendancer on Apr 3, 2010 11:53:53 GMT -5
Cabin: Eric has stated the facts well. Here's what I would add. People who become interested in non-duality are primarily interested in discovering absolute truth. They want to wake up from the consensus trance that keeps most people lost in the dream of dualism. They want to know who or what they ARE. To find this absolute truth it is necessary to give up all ideas and be willing to enter the unknown.
All ideas about the world are ideas; they are products of imagination. There is nothing wrong with imagining things as long as we don't get too attached to our ideas and confuse them with the truth. I went on a hike with my thirteen-year old nephew the other day, and I began introducing him to the difference between truth and ideas about truth. I gave him a few simple koans to give him a feel for how they work, and then I walked up to a tree, put my hand on it, and said, "We call this a 'tree', but what is it really?" He replied, "I know what it is, but I don't know how to reply." I said, "That's right. You do know, but you have to find a way to show me that you understand the truth." We discussed a few more existential issues, and then, suddenly, his face lit up, and he said, "Ask me about the tree again." I did so, and he did something that made it obvious he knew the difference between what we call a "tree" and what a "tree" actually is.
You asked if people on this board believe in evolution. So, in response, I ask you, "Do you believe in trees?" Do you understand the difference between a "tree" and the living truth? Can you see through the illusion of "tree." Most importantly, can you see through the illusion of who you think you are? That's what's important. The evolution issue is trivial.
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Post by kiko on Apr 12, 2010 19:58:41 GMT -5
"Nondualism does not teach anything about evolution. The world is an illusion. An illusion that is ever changing. Evolution is just a concept about some of the change inside of the illusion." This is obviously intellectual concept, product of thought and not describeing your experience about realitiy. I dont belive you. And evolution is not "just" a concept... It is a word pointing to the ways of existence exist, the way it works... To say it is "just" something is subjective, is your interpretation. "To me, nonduality is the recognition that any idea of anything is just that - an idea... ...So, within the story, there can be all kinds of ideas, including karma, and growth, and evolution, etc....." Yes, but "idea" is not wrong or right by itself, but it can be used in wrong and right ways. If, in this case, word "evolution" is used as a pointer to a principal ISnes function, than it is used in a right way. arghhhhhhhhh  Thinking drains energy, bye. |
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Post by Guest on Jun 21, 2010 16:00:15 GMT -5
Evolution is false!
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