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Post by melvin on Sept 13, 2024 9:07:09 GMT -5
What you say is nothing. I heard that before, so many times. That the truth is within. You just have to work it out to find the truth. Through, self-inguiry says Ramana. Or focusing says Nisagardatta on the " I am " from within, eventually self-realization comes, if suddenly its kensho or satori, whatever. The path I am taking to find the truth within is devotional ( bhakti ). I chant from within the hare krishna maha mantra. This is my realization. The path is simple and easy. Ultimately, one gets to the truth. It seems to make one strangely verbose. This path of yours. Thusly, I'm a bit skeptical about your adherence to it. As I practice, I tend to post less and have no interest or reliance on AI. It offers nothing that I can't access without it. Yes, there is singing and dancing, this path ( bhakti-krishna). Skepticism is always there whatever path one has newly taken. Later one adopts, adjusts and get used to knowing the path is all about and feels later comfortable practicing it. With regards to using AI, say the quotes from Nisagardatta's " I am." I use AI, no doubt about it so others will know what these quotes meant. I myself for one dont know the real meaning of Nisa's " I am " quotes so I use AI to get a better idea. |
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Post by roscod on Sept 13, 2024 9:21:51 GMT -5
To quote Krishnamurti, who I admit is not one of my favourite teachers, the truth is a pathless land. If AI works for you, then enjoy. I made the decision a while ago that I had to work things out for myself. Any knowledge from another source is unreliable. I can only trust myself, or to put it another way, Satguru is within. Go within. Truth is within silence. What you say is nothing. I heard that before, so many times. That the truth is within. You just have to work it out to find the truth. Through, self-inguiry says Ramana. Or focusing says Nisagardatta on the " I am " from within, eventually self-realization comes, if suddenly its kensho or satori, whatever. The path I am taking to find the truth within is devotional ( bhakti ). I chant from within the hare krishna maha mantra. This is my realization. The path is simple and easy. Ultimately, one gets to the truth. if you have heard something so many times, it is probably a sign that you need to address something. What have you done about it? Have you really examined where your sense of identity comes from? Have you really looked into the influences from your early life and childhood that created the person you believe yourself to be? Have you recognised why you hold the values you do? Have you gone through the way your parents and sibling behaved and the impact it had on you, your emotional responses that became your sense of self, your "I am"? I'm a newbie here, but straight away i can see that someone who does nothing but post AI responses to others questions and rambles on about chanting Hare Krishna Hare Krishna is avoiding dealing with other issues. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 13, 2024 10:15:46 GMT -5
What you say is nothing. I heard that before, so many times. That the truth is within. You just have to work it out to find the truth. Through, self-inguiry says Ramana. Or focusing says Nisagardatta on the " I am " from within, eventually self-realization comes, if suddenly its kensho or satori, whatever. The path I am taking to find the truth within is devotional ( bhakti ). I chant from within the hare krishna maha mantra. This is my realization. The path is simple and easy. Ultimately, one gets to the truth. if you have heard something so many times, it is probably a sign that you need to address something. What have you done about it? Have you really examined where your sense of identity comes from? Have you really looked into the influences from your early life and childhood that created the person you believe yourself to be? Have you recognised why you hold the values you do? Have you gone through the way your parents and sibling behaved and the impact it had on you, your emotional responses that became your sense of self, your "I am"? I'm a newbie here, but straight away i can see that someone who does nothing but post AI responses to others questions and rambles on about chanting Hare Krishna Hare Krishna is avoiding dealing with other issues. What you've gone through I gone through. Honestly, how old are you? I am 66. I am a licensed doctor. Are you? You think I was born yesterday. The problem is that, you can't accept is simply because AI is more intelligent. And whatever question or wisdom you post, AI can match it, even much better and clearer. |
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Post by roscod on Sept 13, 2024 10:19:00 GMT -5
if you have heard something so many times, it is probably a sign that you need to address something. What have you done about it? Have you really examined where your sense of identity comes from? Have you really looked into the influences from your early life and childhood that created the person you believe yourself to be? Have you recognised why you hold the values you do? Have you gone through the way your parents and sibling behaved and the impact it had on you, your emotional responses that became your sense of self, your "I am"? I'm a newbie here, but straight away i can see that someone who does nothing but post AI responses to others questions and rambles on about chanting Hare Krishna Hare Krishna is avoiding dealing with other issues. What you've gone through I gone through. Honestly, how old are you? I am 66. I am a licensed doctor. Are you? You think I was born yesterday. The problem is that, you can't accept is simply because AI is more intelligent. And whatever question or wisdom you post, AI can match it, even much better and clearer. I am 61 and have a PhD in the biological sciences. I think you really need to examine yourself, in a genuine manner. this discussion board has little to offer to the genuine seeker of a better way. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 13, 2024 10:20:10 GMT -5
It seems to make one strangely verbose. This path of yours. Thusly, I'm a bit skeptical about your adherence to it. As I practice, I tend to post less and have no interest or reliance on AI. It offers nothing that I can't access without it. Yes, there is singing and dancing, this path ( bhakti-krishna). Skepticism is always there whatever path one has newly taken. Later one adopts, adjusts and get used to knowing the path is all about and feels later comfortable practicing it. With regards to using AI, say the quotes from Nisagardatta's " I am." I use AI, no doubt about it so others will know what these quotes meant. I myself for one dont know the real meaning of Nisa's " I am " quotes so I use AI to get a better idea. As AI has no direct experience of 'I Am', I don't see it as a good spiritual resource. Spiritual wisdom is generally offered with a good dose of intuition and inspiration, and so while I have come to enjoy certain things that AI can do, in spirituality, I believe AI is the 'wrong tool for the job'. But if others are enjoying AI here, then it's not for me to get in the way of that. This isn't the first discussion we've had about it. |
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 13, 2024 10:27:50 GMT -5
It seems to make one strangely verbose. This path of yours. Thusly, I'm a bit skeptical about your adherence to it. As I practice, I tend to post less and have no interest or reliance on AI. It offers nothing that I can't access without it. Yes, there is singing and dancing, this path ( bhakti-krishna). Skepticism is always there whatever path one has newly taken. Later one adopts, adjusts and get used to knowing the path is all about and feels later comfortable practicing it. With regards to using AI, say the quotes from Nisagardatta's " I am." I use AI, no doubt about it so others will know what these quotes meant. I myself for one dont know the real meaning of Nisa's " I am " quotes so I use AI to get a better idea. Ahh. Perhaps a little less AI and more singing and dancing. Can you post while singing and dancing? This place wears me out. I have to take a hiatus once in a while to recharge. You don't seem to have that problem. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 13, 2024 10:32:23 GMT -5
Yes, there is singing and dancing, this path ( bhakti-krishna). Skepticism is always there whatever path one has newly taken. Later one adopts, adjusts and get used to knowing the path is all about and feels later comfortable practicing it. With regards to using AI, say the quotes from Nisagardatta's " I am." I use AI, no doubt about it so others will know what these quotes meant. I myself for one dont know the real meaning of Nisa's " I am " quotes so I use AI to get a better idea. Ahh. Perhaps a little less AI and more singing and dancing. Can you post while singing and dancing? This place wears me out. I have to take a hiatus once in a while to recharge. You don't seem to have that problem. When something doesn't wear you out because it makes you happy then that's the true meaning of eternal bliss. |
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Post by inavalan on Sept 13, 2024 12:11:36 GMT -5
I believe that a better approach would be to ask the I Ching than the AI.
You could use almost anything as a catalyst to help you tune into your inner source of knowledge and guidance, but you have to alsays leave aside everything you believe, you believe to be true, your feelings, your expectations, ... to completely "empty your cup". Also, reasoning unchecked by intuition, and by direct inner guidance, will derail your quest for truth, for knowledge.
That's the beauty of the physical experience framework: it gives you only what you need at the level you currently are.
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Post by melvin on Sept 13, 2024 18:39:28 GMT -5
24) Remain focused on the ‘I am’ till it goes into oblivion, then the eternal is, the Absolute is, Parabrahman is.
- Nisagardatta Maharaj
Melvin: " Focus on the self, put it into oblivion, let it go. " That means emptying the mind of egoistic thoughts.
Once you achieve this nothingness, there remains the Absolute Truth (Parambrahman).
The self merged in the Source.
Chant , " Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare."
The maha mantra is the Essence, the Ultimate Reality ( Parambrahman).
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Post by melvin on Sept 13, 2024 20:14:39 GMT -5
25) The knowledge ‘I am’ is the birth principle, investigate it and you’ll finally stabilize in the Absolute Parabrahman.
- Nisagardatta Maharaj
Melvin: " I am " the self is atman. Search for this atman and you will discover from within the Paramatman, the Absolute Truth present in the hearts of all living entities. Above Paramatman is the Absolute Parambrahman, the Cause of all Causes.
Chant, " Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare."
The maha mantra, the Absolute Parambrahman is the Cause of All Causes.
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Post by melvin on Sept 13, 2024 21:29:32 GMT -5
26) All knowledge including the ‘I am’ is formless, throw out the ‘I am’ and stay put in quietude.
- Nisagardatta Maharaj
Melvin: All sources of knowledge, including the " I am " self/Atman is impersonal, so discard it and be still, you are the Absolute Truth.
Chant, " Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare. "
You are the maha mantra, the Absolute Truth.
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Post by melvin on Sept 13, 2024 23:25:11 GMT -5
27) Prior to birth where was the ‘I am’? Don’t contaminate the ‘I am’ with the body idea, I as the Absolute am not the ‘I am’.
- Nisagardatta Maharaj
Melvin: The self/Atman the " I am " prior to birth was with Paramatman. They have nothing to do with the food body. Beyond everything is the Absolute Truth, the Parambrahman.
Chant , " Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare. "
The maha mantra is beyond food body. It is the Paramatman Parambrahman
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Post by melvin on Sept 14, 2024 3:46:17 GMT -5
28) In the absence of ‘I am’ nothing is required, the ‘I am’ will go with the body, what remains is the Absolute.
- Nisagardatta Maharaj
Melvin: In the absence of the self/Atman, there are no requirements, the " I am " goes with the food body. What remains in the absence of the self/Atman/ I am is the Absolute Truth, the Paramatman Parambrahman.
Chant, " Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare."
When the self/Atman/I am is absent what remains is the maha mantra, the Absolute Truth Paramatman Parambrahman.
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Post by melvin on Sept 14, 2024 4:28:06 GMT -5
29) You must not only have the conviction that ‘I am’ but also that you are free from the ‘I am’.
- Nisagardatta Maharaj
Melvin: One must be determined the self/Atman/ I am exists but also has this firm conviction of relinquishing the existence of the self/ Atman/ I am.
Chant, " Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare."
Once freed from the concept of the self/Atman/ I am, acceptance of the maha mantra Absolute Truth follows.
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Post by melvin on Sept 14, 2024 4:50:02 GMT -5
30) Remember the knowledge ‘I am’ only and give up the rest, staying in the ‘I am’ you will realize that it is unreal.
- Nisagardatta Maharaj
Melvin: Only remember the self/Atman/ I am, giving up everything you know. Staying that way, one ultimately realizes the self/ Atman/ I am is an illusion.
Chant, " Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare.
Knowledge of the self/Atman/ I am once realized its only an illusion, accepts the maha mantra as the Ultimate Reality.
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