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Post by melvin on Nov 19, 2024 23:19:56 GMT -5
Ramana Maharishi before he took his last breathe was chanting the Om mantra. Nisagardatta Maharaj before he died chanted, " Jaya Guru Datta." In the Krishna consciousness movement, if you chant the Hare Krishna mantra before death is where you gonna be. So, what does it tells you? We should be careful with our last thoughts prior to death. That last thought is where we gonna be. Ramana is in the OM mantra now? 
Maybe Ramana is now one with the Cosmos. Just like when you chant Hare Krishna prior to death, makes one eligible to enter Krishna's abode, Goloka Vrndavan. Same with Nisa chanting his last words, " Jaya Guru Datta," has gone to his Guru 's abode. |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 19, 2024 23:44:47 GMT -5
... ultimately, all existential questions are misconceived. Probably. They are just catalysts (" One that precipitates a process or event, especially without being involved in or changed by the consequences") for directly accessing your inner source of knowledge and guidance. Compared with tea leaves, for example, they are more misleading, because of the temptation to try to answer them intellectually. |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 20, 2024 0:05:41 GMT -5
My view is that all experiences are symbolic, in order to bypass distorting the direct transfer of knowledge and guidance with your beliefs and expectations. So we have to interpret what we experience when awake, when dreaming, in any projection. The experience in itself doesn't matter, and its interpretation is most useful when done from an unbiased centering in the now (leaving aside all beliefs and expectations). Revisiting the experience later won't fit your needs as well. Most people focus on memorizing the experience and labeling its elements, when actually they should focus on interpreting the experience to draw the knowledge and guidance the most appropriate for the current condition of that pupil. Okay, so your basic premise is that there's a definite purpose. Which means everything that happens in your world has to be seen thru that lens.
Now, what I meant with my question was this: What if there is no such definite purpose? What if life experience doesn't require such constant 'interpretations'? What would life experience be like?
I have a suspicion that what you call "purpose" is something different from what I am talking about. I think that there is a symbolic multi-level meaning in everything that attracts my attention, because it is in my reality, which my subconscious creates only for my benefit, following a pre-established curriculum, like a handbook with a number de lessons that I have to study and learn; that's why I am here, in the physical-reality framework. The what-if you're suggesting is what most people (their awake-in-the-physical egos) believe. It is a phase, that requires rework until all lessons are learned (not referring here to reincarnation through several lives). In my experience, those lessons aren't of the kind "good" people believe, because people start from "misconceived" premises, questions, goals, ... |
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Post by lolly on Nov 20, 2024 1:40:07 GMT -5
You get cancer for psychic and psychological reasons, not for physical reasons. The appearance is that of a tangled hierarchy. Physical factors causing psychological reactions and those reactions, causing, in turn, physical manifestations. In general, it's a chegg. Aligning toward health is an interesting topic. I'm more about a two way street in that mind becomes matter and matter becomes mind, which is pretty easy to observe how sensation (matter) gets reaction (mind), which creates sensation, thus reaction etc. If we say cancer is caused psychologically, we have be consistent and say sunburn isn't caused by the sun. Not that it isn't caused by the mind per-se, just that it's a two way street. |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 20, 2024 8:17:10 GMT -5
The appearance is that of a tangled hierarchy. Physical factors causing psychological reactions and those reactions, causing, in turn, physical manifestations. In general, it's a chegg. Aligning toward health is an interesting topic. I'm more about a two way street in that mind becomes matter and matter becomes mind, which is pretty easy to observe how sensation (matter) gets reaction (mind), which creates sensation, thus reaction etc. If we say cancer is caused psychologically, we have be consistent and say sunburn isn't caused by the sun. Not that it isn't caused by the mind per-se, just that it's a two way street. Yes, there's a high correlation between people who often got sunburned when young having skin cancers later in life, and I doubt that psychology had much to do with that. The same is true for smokers and lung cancer. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 20, 2024 12:44:12 GMT -5
As I awaken, I find myself in a peculiar state of consciousness, aware that my waking self is experiencing reality while the other side of me slumbers in a distant part of the world, immersed in dreams. It is as if I am living two parallel lives simultaneously; one in which I am fully awake and conscious, and another in which I exist only within the realm of dreams.
In this waking side of the world, I observe the colors, sounds, and sensations that surround me. I am greeted by the warmth of the sun's rays streaming through the window, the distant hum of traffic outside, and the gentle touch of a cool breeze brushing against my skin. Everything feels vivid and tangible, reminding me that this is undoubtedly my reality.
Yet, as I contemplate the sleeping side of myself, I cannot help but wonder what dreams captivate and consume the subconscious mind that lies dormant across the globe. What adventures, fantasies, or fears does the slumbering version of me experience? Are they aware of their dreaming state, just as I am aware of my wakefulness? Do they have any inkling that I exist in this waking world, their very own parallel existence?
The thought of this duality is both intriguing and perplexing. It opens up a multitude of questions about the nature of reality, consciousness, and the interconnectedness of human experiences. Perhaps, in some mysterious way, our two sides communicate without our conscious knowledge, influencing each other's dreams and waking thoughts.
As I continue to navigate through my waking reality, I carry with me a newfound appreciation for the complexity and enigma of our existence. To simultaneously occupy both the realm of dreams and wakefulness is a reminder of the vastness of human consciousness and the infinite possibilities that lie within it.
Though I may never fully understand the intricacies of this dual existence, I embrace the beauty and mystery it presents. Each moment I spend awake becomes a testament to the dreamer within me, a testament to the astonishing and wondrous journey we undergo as conscious beings.
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Post by inavalan on Nov 21, 2024 15:03:33 GMT -5
So, what will you do differently from now on? What do you think of being the reason for getting this dream now? What does " way of life that can transform us from within" mean to you? That would mean wearing a tilaka, a doti, eating prasadam, do kirtan, preach the teachings of Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita, distribute magazines, articles on Krishna consciousness, etc. Surely, ultimately to you it matters only how you interpret your experience. To me, it matters only how I interpret what I perceive to be your experience. To you, it is a test and a lesson. To me, it is a lesson. My interpretation is that your dream is an offer to you, and it tests your readiness to make a positive qualitative jump, from a child who doesn't consciously know that he's learning, and that he has to learn and grow up, to someone who knows that he has to consciously learn, to pay attention for the lessons he is given; from passive learning to active learning; from depending on what he is taught, and how that is getting through to him, to becoming responsible for his own learning. The pleasant dream is an encouragement to make this step. Becoming aware that you're part of a learning endeavour is a first important qualitative step, that marks an increase in the slope of the learning curve, but the real hockey-stick of that curve is when you learned how to learn. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 21, 2024 15:55:37 GMT -5
Alignment happens one way if there has been a realization as to the question of "what aligns, with what?", and another way, otherwise. Funny thing is though, that most of the alignment material seems to me to have been generated from the dark on that. One reason for this is simple: the biggest question is going to be the one that draws the most interest, especially for anyone who gets close to it. So the sickly guru phenomenon can be understood, at least partly, by the pull to expressing the existential truth outweighing the pull toward alignment. Said another way, you don't go to Niz or Ramana or E' for advice on weight loss. There is actually a backstory arc on that with E' that is particularly rather comical. And, one can read a value judgment into that first sentence that isn't really there, but getting into that is unwrapping a box of potential confusion.  You get what you think about, whether you want it or not. It's as simple and clear as that. And that applies equally to the saint and the sinner, the sage and the ignorant. It only gets convoluted when our image of those sages doesn't match the reality of those sages, i.e. when we assume that the minds of those sages are much purer than they actually are in reality. Then we have to make up all kinds of fantastical stories to bridge that gap. Here's a nice quote: It's really great advice. Every cultural self is a product of the time and place where they are, and this implicates a filter in the mind. Many of us who came of age in the late 20th will find some trigger words in this. Not convoluted, no, but, potentially .. tricky.  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 21, 2024 16:03:27 GMT -5
"non-physical" can be heard as a denial of physicality rather than putting it into the context of a potential misinterpretation/misconception, and a distracting misconception, at that.  People who want to misinterpret are going to misinterpret. And the callousness continues!  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 21, 2024 16:07:21 GMT -5
That’s a very thoughtful book. Short but immensely valuable. I don't agree 100% with what's in the book, but yes, it's really good, short and to the point.
Here's another quote from the book: This basically explains the sickly guru paradox. Nettle tea is a great anti-inflammatory! |
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Post by laughter on Nov 21, 2024 16:29:25 GMT -5
My view is that all experiences are symbolic, in order to bypass distorting the direct transfer of knowledge and guidance with your beliefs and expectations. So we have to interpret what we experience when awake, when dreaming, in any projection. The experience in itself doesn't matter, and its interpretation is most useful when done from an unbiased centering in the now (leaving aside all beliefs and expectations). Revisiting the experience later won't fit your needs as well. Most people focus on memorizing the experience and labeling its elements, when actually they should focus on interpreting the experience to draw the knowledge and guidance the most appropriate for the current condition of that pupil. Okay, so your basic premise is that there's a definite purpose. Which means everything that happens in your world has to be seen thru that lens.
Now, what I meant with my question was this: What if there is no such definite purpose? What if life experience doesn't require such constant 'interpretations'? What would life experience be like?
Tangential to your dialog with inavalan, but perhaps some here can relate. The current secular/scientific world view (which was what I was conditioned into, to some extent), leads naturally to an answer to the purpose question. It can be a two-sided coin. One one side is nihilism, on the other is the absence of nihilism, as expressed by Sagan, "so that the Universe may know itself". |
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Post by laughter on Nov 21, 2024 16:33:13 GMT -5
The appearance is that of a tangled hierarchy. Physical factors causing psychological reactions and those reactions, causing, in turn, physical manifestations. In general, it's a chegg. Aligning toward health is an interesting topic. I'm more about a two way street in that mind becomes matter and matter becomes mind, which is pretty easy to observe how sensation (matter) gets reaction (mind), which creates sensation, thus reaction etc. If we say cancer is caused psychologically, we have be consistent and say sunburn isn't caused by the sun. Not that it isn't caused by the mind per-se, just that it's a two way street. I like it, because we can extend the metaphor to the number of lanes and the flow of traffic on either side. In some parts of town, you can think all the good thoughts you want but you're stuck in traffic. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 21, 2024 16:42:24 GMT -5
As I awaken, I find myself in a peculiar state of consciousness, aware that my waking self is experiencing reality while the other side of me slumbers in a distant part of the world, immersed in dreams. It is as if I am living two parallel lives simultaneously; one in which I am fully awake and conscious, and another in which I exist only within the realm of dreams. In this waking side of the world, I observe the colors, sounds, and sensations that surround me. I am greeted by the warmth of the sun's rays streaming through the window, the distant hum of traffic outside, and the gentle touch of a cool breeze brushing against my skin. Everything feels vivid and tangible, reminding me that this is undoubtedly my reality. Yet, as I contemplate the sleeping side of myself, I cannot help but wonder what dreams captivate and consume the subconscious mind that lies dormant across the globe. What adventures, fantasies, or fears does the slumbering version of me experience? Are they aware of their dreaming state, just as I am aware of my wakefulness? Do they have any inkling that I exist in this waking world, their very own parallel existence? The thought of this duality is both intriguing and perplexing. It opens up a multitude of questions about the nature of reality, consciousness, and the interconnectedness of human experiences. Perhaps, in some mysterious way, our two sides communicate without our conscious knowledge, influencing each other's dreams and waking thoughts. As I continue to navigate through my waking reality, I carry with me a newfound appreciation for the complexity and enigma of our existence. To simultaneously occupy both the realm of dreams and wakefulness is a reminder of the vastness of human consciousness and the infinite possibilities that lie within it. Though I may never fully understand the intricacies of this dual existence, I embrace the beauty and mystery it presents. Each moment I spend awake becomes a testament to the dreamer within me, a testament to the astonishing and wondrous journey we undergo as conscious beings. True poetry. Well done. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 21, 2024 19:25:07 GMT -5
As I awaken, I find myself in a peculiar state of consciousness, aware that my waking self is experiencing reality while the other side of me slumbers in a distant part of the world, immersed in dreams. It is as if I am living two parallel lives simultaneously; one in which I am fully awake and conscious, and another in which I exist only within the realm of dreams. In this waking side of the world, I observe the colors, sounds, and sensations that surround me. I am greeted by the warmth of the sun's rays streaming through the window, the distant hum of traffic outside, and the gentle touch of a cool breeze brushing against my skin. Everything feels vivid and tangible, reminding me that this is undoubtedly my reality. Yet, as I contemplate the sleeping side of myself, I cannot help but wonder what dreams captivate and consume the subconscious mind that lies dormant across the globe. What adventures, fantasies, or fears does the slumbering version of me experience? Are they aware of their dreaming state, just as I am aware of my wakefulness? Do they have any inkling that I exist in this waking world, their very own parallel existence? The thought of this duality is both intriguing and perplexing. It opens up a multitude of questions about the nature of reality, consciousness, and the interconnectedness of human experiences. Perhaps, in some mysterious way, our two sides communicate without our conscious knowledge, influencing each other's dreams and waking thoughts. As I continue to navigate through my waking reality, I carry with me a newfound appreciation for the complexity and enigma of our existence. To simultaneously occupy both the realm of dreams and wakefulness is a reminder of the vastness of human consciousness and the infinite possibilities that lie within it. Though I may never fully understand the intricacies of this dual existence, I embrace the beauty and mystery it presents. Each moment I spend awake becomes a testament to the dreamer within me, a testament to the astonishing and wondrous journey we undergo as conscious beings. True poetry. Well done. Thanks, laffy. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 21, 2024 19:26:04 GMT -5
A father accompanying his 12 year old daughter came to my clinic, carrying an ECG result re: sinus arrhythmia. On the other hand there was a form he wanted me to fill up whether the child is healthy to play in the school intramurals. She was into volleyball.
Sinus arrhythmia is an irregular heart rhythm where the R-R interval changes by more than 0.12 seconds
*Cause: The vagus nerve is activated during respiration, which causes the heart rate to vary between beats
*Effect: The heart rate increases when you inhale and decreases when you exhale
* Sign: Usually a sign of good
cardiovascular health
* Prevalence: More common in school-aged children and adolescents
* Treatment: No further work-up or therapy is required
The decision for a 12(13)-year-old to play in the school intramurals should be made with consideration of several factors:
* Medical Evaluation.
It is important for the individual to have a thorough evaluation by a healthcare provider, especially if there are any accompanying symptoms (such as dizziness, fatigue, or palpitations).
*Training and Supervision.
Ensure that the child is physically prepared for the activity and that there is adequate supervision during the tournament.
*Individual Assessment.
A physician can provide advice based on the individual's overall health, fitness level, and any other medical conditions they might have.
*Emergency Plan.
Be proactive about having a plan in place in case any unusual symptoms arise during play.
If the physician determines that it is safe to participate, then the young athlete can likely compete in the tournament. However, if there are any concerns or if the individual experiences any symptoms, it’s essential to err on the side of caution and avoid participation until further evaluation is done.
With all these info which I took into consideration, I finally decided not giving the child a go, playing volleyball in the school intramurals because of her ECG result re: sinus arrhythmia. The school's physician knew about her case but told the child's father to find another doctor to certify if her daughter is really healthy.When I refused to give her one, she broke down and cried. Until now, I am still thinking about it. What if I gave her a good bill of health to play volleyball disregarding the ECG result re: sinus arrhythmia? It's a case that makes me feel sad, an emotion that wont go away.
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