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Post by zendancer on Nov 12, 2024 15:34:39 GMT -5
My blood pressure and heart rate go up when my dreams are thrilling and exciting. It means while we are physically asleep, the brain's activity during vivid dreaming can mimic aspects of consciousness found in the waking state, leading to similar physiological responses. While body lies unperturbed during sleep, mind/brain is awake/conscious. If it so happens, heart suddenly stops beating, where will mind/consciousness go? To that place, Buddhists call emptiness/Nirvana, Catholics call heaven/hell/purgatory, Or to an unborn being's subconscious just waiting to be born? Consciousness goes to the same place your fist goes when you open your hand. IOW. there's no actual coming and going except in imagination. As Tyler Perry put it: "I am not the character on the screen; I am the screen." Stated relativistically via language, what we are is the infinite field of being that ceaselessly transforms. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 12, 2024 19:42:59 GMT -5
My blood pressure and heart rate go up when my dreams are thrilling and exciting. It means while we are physically asleep, the brain's activity during vivid dreaming can mimic aspects of consciousness found in the waking state, leading to similar physiological responses. While body lies unperturbed during sleep, mind/brain is awake/conscious. If it so happens, heart suddenly stops beating, where will mind/consciousness go? To that place, Buddhists call emptiness/Nirvana, Catholics call heaven/hell/purgatory, Or to an unborn being's subconscious just waiting to be born? Consciousness goes to the same place your fist goes when you open your hand. IOW. there's no actual coming and going except in imagination. As Tyler Perry put it: "I am not the character on the screen; I am the screen." Stated relativistically via language, what we are is the infinite field of being that ceaselessly transforms. In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna explains the nature of the soul (Atman) and its journey after death. According to Krishna, the soul is eternal and does not die with the physical body. Instead, it transitions to another state of existence. In Chapter 2, Verse 13, Krishna states that just as the body undergoes changes from childhood to old age and ultimately dies, the soul similarly transitions to another body after death. The soul is described as indestructible and everlasting: "Just as the body undergoes changes from childhood to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The wise are not deluded by this." In Chapter 2, Verse 22, Krishna further elaborates that just as we change clothes, the soul leaves one body and takes on another: "Just as a person discards old clothes and puts on new ones, in the same way, the soul discards old bodies and enters new ones." Thus, according to Lord Krishna, consciousness, or the soul, does not go anywhere in the sense of physical displacement; rather, it undergoes a process of rebirth, taking on new physical forms based on its karma (actions) and desires accumulated during its previous lives. |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 12, 2024 20:21:59 GMT -5
Consciousness goes to the same place your fist goes when you open your hand. IOW. there's no actual coming and going except in imagination. As Tyler Perry put it: "I am not the character on the screen; I am the screen." Stated relativistically via language, what we are is the infinite field of being that ceaselessly transforms. In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna explains the nature of the soul (Atman) and its journey after death. According to Krishna, the soul is eternal and does not die with the physical body. Instead, it transitions to another state of existence. In Chapter 2, Verse 13, Krishna states that just as the body undergoes changes from childhood to old age and ultimately dies, the soul similarly transitions to another body after death. The soul is described as indestructible and everlasting: "Just as the body undergoes changes from childhood to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The wise are not deluded by this." In Chapter 2, Verse 22, Krishna further elaborates that just as we change clothes, the soul leaves one body and takes on another: "Just as a person discards old clothes and puts on new ones, in the same way, the soul discards old bodies and enters new ones." Thus, according to Lord Krishna, consciousness, or the soul, does not go anywhere in the sense of physical displacement; rather, it undergoes a process of rebirth, taking on new physical forms based on its karma (actions) and desires accumulated during its previous lives. The best suggestion is for people to find the truth for themselves and not depend upon sacred texts or special people. All of the ancient texts and gurus are pointing to something inconceivable and absolute. It can be grokked, but it cannot be grasped by the mind. Find THAT, and all questions will vanish in an instant.. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 12, 2024 20:25:54 GMT -5
In Chapter 2, Verse 22, Krishna further elaborates that just as we change clothes, the soul leaves one body and takes on another: "Just as a person discards old clothes and puts on new ones, in the same way, the soul discards old bodies and enters new ones." Here, it seems like you’re interpreting this to mean that you have your own individual soul, separate from the Absolute, that moves from body to body, reincarnating over and over. But that’s not what I hear in the words of ZD and Krishna above. I hear them both expressing something quite the opposite of that view. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 12, 2024 21:56:30 GMT -5
In Chapter 2, Verse 22, Krishna further elaborates that just as we change clothes, the soul leaves one body and takes on another: "Just as a person discards old clothes and puts on new ones, in the same way, the soul discards old bodies and enters new ones." Here, it seems like you’re interpreting this to mean that you have your own individual soul, separate from the Absolute, that moves from body to body, reincarnating over and over. But that’s not what I hear in the words of ZD and Krishna above. I hear them both expressing something quite the opposite of that view. Atman/soul is what I believe is consciousness who is one with the Paramatman/Superconsciousnes. Above them is the Parambrahman whom Nisa calls the Absolute Truth, the Ultimate Reality. To a dualist, it's like saying Lord Krishna, the Parambrahman, Ultimate Reality is present in everyone's hearts as the Paramatman side by side with the Atman. Like two birds on the branch of the tree. One bird is observing what the other is doing. I am following Chaitanya Mahaprabhu 's philosophy, Acintya Bheda Abheda Tattva, which means that the Atman and Paramatman/Parambrahman are simultaneously one yet different. To a nondualist, there's no separation between Atman and Parambrahman. All are one. So, a nondualist who realizes he's one with the Parambrahman merges into the Absolute Truth and has become the Parambrahman/God himself. Are you? |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 13, 2024 7:51:24 GMT -5
Here, it seems like you’re interpreting this to mean that you have your own individual soul, separate from the Absolute, that moves from body to body, reincarnating over and over. But that’s not what I hear in the words of ZD and Krishna above. I hear them both expressing something quite the opposite of that view. Atman/soul is what I believe is consciousness who is one with the Paramatman/Superconsciousnes. Above them is the Parambrahman whom Nisa calls the Absolute Truth, the Ultimate Reality. To a dualist, it's like saying Lord Krishna, the Parambrahman, Ultimate Reality is present in everyone's hearts as the Paramatman side by side with the Atman. Like two birds on the branch of the tree. One bird is observing what the other is doing. I am following Chaitanya Mahaprabhu 's philosophy, Acintya Bheda Abheda Tattva, which means that the Atman and Paramatman/Parambrahman are simultaneously one yet different. To a nondualist, there's no separation between Atman and Parambrahman. All are one. So, a nondualist who realizes he's one with the Parambrahman merges into the Absolute Truth and has become the Parambrahman/God himself. Are you? FWIW, there is no "merging" with the Absolute because there are not two of anything, and it takes two to "merge." The realization is that what one IS is already the Absolute, but this does not mean what most people imagine. It doesn't mean special powers or anything like that. It means that one's ordinary everyday life is how the Absolute manifests. It's like relaxing into a felt sense of "flow" without the need to reflect upon it. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 13, 2024 8:17:19 GMT -5
Atman/soul is what I believe is consciousness who is one with the Paramatman/Superconsciousnes. Above them is the Parambrahman whom Nisa calls the Absolute Truth, the Ultimate Reality. To a dualist, it's like saying Lord Krishna, the Parambrahman, Ultimate Reality is present in everyone's hearts as the Paramatman side by side with the Atman. Like two birds on the branch of the tree. One bird is observing what the other is doing. I am following Chaitanya Mahaprabhu 's philosophy, Acintya Bheda Abheda Tattva, which means that the Atman and Paramatman/Parambrahman are simultaneously one yet different. To a nondualist, there's no separation between Atman and Parambrahman. All are one. So, a nondualist who realizes he's one with the Parambrahman merges into the Absolute Truth and has become the Parambrahman/God himself. Are you? FWIW, there is no "merging" with the Absolute because there are not two of anything, and it takes two to "merge." The realization is that what one IS is already the Absolute, but this does not mean what most people imagine. It doesn't mean special powers or anything like that. It means that one's ordinary everyday life is how the Absolute manifests. It's like relaxing into a felt sense of "flow" without the need to reflect upon it. In some nondual philosophies, the realization of oneness with Brahman can be seen as a merging of the individual self into the impersonal Absolute. In this context, "merging" can be understood as the dissolution of the illusion of separation between the individual self and the universal self—when one realizes their true identity as Brahman, the distinction disappears. Thus, it’s not a literal merging but rather a realization of non-separation. In short, self-realized nondualists consider themselves Brahman. |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 13, 2024 8:39:30 GMT -5
FWIW, there is no "merging" with the Absolute because there are not two of anything, and it takes two to "merge." The realization is that what one IS is already the Absolute, but this does not mean what most people imagine. It doesn't mean special powers or anything like that. It means that one's ordinary everyday life is how the Absolute manifests. It's like relaxing into a felt sense of "flow" without the need to reflect upon it. In some nondual philosophies, the realization of oneness with Brahman can be seen as a merging of the individual self into the impersonal Absolute. In this context, "merging" can be understood as the dissolution of the illusion of separation between the individual self and the universal self—when one realizes their true identity as Brahman, the distinction disappears. Thus, it’s not a literal merging but rather a realization of non-separation.In short, self-realized nondualists consider themselves Brahman. Agreed. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 13, 2024 8:43:28 GMT -5
In some nondual philosophies, the realization of oneness with Brahman can be seen as a merging of the individual self into the impersonal Absolute. In this context, "merging" can be understood as the dissolution of the illusion of separation between the individual self and the universal self—when one realizes their true identity as Brahman, the distinction disappears. Thus, it’s not a literal merging but rather a realization of non-separation.In short, self-realized nondualists consider themselves Brahman. . IOW, being non-separate from Brahman, do you consider yourself Brahman? |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 13, 2024 8:48:51 GMT -5
FWIW, there is no "merging" with the Absolute because there are not two of anything, and it takes two to "merge." The realization is that what one IS is already the Absolute, but this does not mean what most people imagine. It doesn't mean special powers or anything like that. It means that one's ordinary everyday life is how the Absolute manifests. It's like relaxing into a felt sense of "flow" without the need to reflect upon it. In some nondual philosophies, the realization of oneness with Brahman can be seen as a merging of the individual self into the impersonal Absolute. You may be confusing Yoga with Advaita. In Yoga, the goal is basically to return home, which means you are trying to find and then follow a path that gets you from A to B. In Advaita, the goal is to realize that you are already home, which means you are not trying to get from A to B and so there's no interest in any path. That's why Yoga focuses on practice, but Advaita does not. In Yoga liberation is the result of karma (causality), but in Advaita it is grace (acausality). Both teachings use basically the same terms and phrases, but their approach is very different. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 13, 2024 9:11:33 GMT -5
In some nondual philosophies, the realization of oneness with Brahman can be seen as a merging of the individual self into the impersonal Absolute. You may be confusing Yoga with Advaita. In Yoga, the goal is basically to return home, which means you are trying to find and then follow a path that gets you from A to B. In Advaita, the goal is to realize that you are already home, which means you are not trying to get from A to B and so there's no interest in any path. That's why Yoga focuses on practice, but Advaita does not. In Yoga liberation is the result of karma (causality), but in Advaita it is grace (acausality). Both teachings use basically the same terms and phrases, but their approach is very different. While Yoga is a broad practice with various paths and techniques aimed at achieving different goals, Advaita specifically refers to the non-dual philosophical perspective that teaches that the ultimate reality is a singular, non-dual consciousness. The two can be complementary, with many practitioners of Yoga also embracing the teachings of Advaita as part of their spiritual journey |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 13, 2024 9:14:47 GMT -5
You may be confusing Yoga with Advaita. In Yoga, the goal is basically to return home, which means you are trying to find and then follow a path that gets you from A to B. In Advaita, the goal is to realize that you are already home, which means you are not trying to get from A to B and so there's no interest in any path. That's why Yoga focuses on practice, but Advaita does not. In Yoga liberation is the result of karma (causality), but in Advaita it is grace (acausality). Both teachings use basically the same terms and phrases, but their approach is very different. While Yoga is a broad practice with various paths and techniques aimed at achieving different goals, Advaita specifically refers to the non-dual philosophical perspective that teaches that the ultimate reality is a singular, non-dual consciousness. The two can be complementary, with many practitioners of Yoga also embracing the teachings of Advaita as part of their spiritual journey AI Detector: "100% of this text is likely AI-generated" www.scribbr.com/ai-detector/FWIW, there is no "merging" with the Absolute because there are not two of anything, and it takes two to "merge." The realization is that what one IS is already the Absolute, but this does not mean what most people imagine. It doesn't mean special powers or anything like that. It means that one's ordinary everyday life is how the Absolute manifests. It's like relaxing into a felt sense of "flow" without the need to reflect upon it. In some nondual philosophies, the realization of oneness with Brahman can be seen as a merging of the individual self into the impersonal Absolute. In this context, "merging" can be understood as the dissolution of the illusion of separation between the individual self and the universal self—when one realizes their true identity as Brahman, the distinction disappears. Thus, it’s not a literal merging but rather a realization of non-separation. In short, self-realized nondualists consider themselves Brahman. AI Detector: "72% of this text is likely AI-generated" Here, it seems like you’re interpreting this to mean that you have your own individual soul, separate from the Absolute, that moves from body to body, reincarnating over and over. But that’s not what I hear in the words of ZD and Krishna above. I hear them both expressing something quite the opposite of that view. Atman/soul is what I believe is consciousness who is one with the Paramatman/Superconsciousnes. Above them is the Parambrahman whom Nisa calls the Absolute Truth, the Ultimate Reality. To a dualist, it's like saying Lord Krishna, the Parambrahman, Ultimate Reality is present in everyone's hearts as the Paramatman side by side with the Atman. Like two birds on the branch of the tree. One bird is observing what the other is doing. I am following Chaitanya Mahaprabhu 's philosophy, Acintya Bheda Abheda Tattva, which means that the Atman and Paramatman/Parambrahman are simultaneously one yet different. To a nondualist, there's no separation between Atman and Parambrahman. All are one. So, a nondualist who realizes he's one with the Parambrahman merges into the Absolute Truth and has become the Parambrahman/God himself. Are you? AI Detector: "0% of this text is likely AI-generated" Consciousness goes to the same place your fist goes when you open your hand. IOW. there's no actual coming and going except in imagination. As Tyler Perry put it: "I am not the character on the screen; I am the screen." Stated relativistically via language, what we are is the infinite field of being that ceaselessly transforms. In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna explains the nature of the soul (Atman) and its journey after death. According to Krishna, the soul is eternal and does not die with the physical body. Instead, it transitions to another state of existence. In Chapter 2, Verse 13, Krishna states that just as the body undergoes changes from childhood to old age and ultimately dies, the soul similarly transitions to another body after death. The soul is described as indestructible and everlasting: "Just as the body undergoes changes from childhood to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The wise are not deluded by this." In Chapter 2, Verse 22, Krishna further elaborates that just as we change clothes, the soul leaves one body and takes on another: "Just as a person discards old clothes and puts on new ones, in the same way, the soul discards old bodies and enters new ones." Thus, according to Lord Krishna, consciousness, or the soul, does not go anywhere in the sense of physical displacement; rather, it undergoes a process of rebirth, taking on new physical forms based on its karma (actions) and desires accumulated during its previous lives. AI Detector: "78% of this text is likely AI-generated" Surreal and Unreal It`s between the unreal and real. You can see it happening when the past and present merge and become one giving you a picture and feeling of nostalgia. Of something profound which happened from your past life manifesting in the present. It`s this feeling and thinking of one hit by puff of lighted ganja stick, a dose of codeine to remedy a persistent cough, several gulps of ice cold beer, a sip of Scotch whisky with brewed coffee. Dreamy it may seem but it`s what seekers do of truth to get them going, experiencing illusions and delusions of this world. Once surreal. No need to take in anything to prep up wakefulness in one's mind. AI Detector: "0% of this text is likely AI-generated" Notice the difference? |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 13, 2024 9:59:24 GMT -5
While Yoga is a broad practice with various paths and techniques aimed at achieving different goals, Advaita specifically refers to the non-dual philosophical perspective that teaches that the ultimate reality is a singular, non-dual consciousness. The two can be complementary, with many practitioners of Yoga also embracing the teachings of Advaita as part of their spiritual journey AI Detector: "100% of this text is likely AI-generated" www.scribbr.com/ai-detector/In some nondual philosophies, the realization of oneness with Brahman can be seen as a merging of the individual self into the impersonal Absolute. In this context, "merging" can be understood as the dissolution of the illusion of separation between the individual self and the universal self—when one realizes their true identity as Brahman, the distinction disappears. Thus, it’s not a literal merging but rather a realization of non-separation. In short, self-realized nondualists consider themselves Brahman. AI Detector: "72% of this text is likely AI-generated" Atman/soul is what I believe is consciousness who is one with the Paramatman/Superconsciousnes. Above them is the Parambrahman whom Nisa calls the Absolute Truth, the Ultimate Reality. To a dualist, it's like saying Lord Krishna, the Parambrahman, Ultimate Reality is present in everyone's hearts as the Paramatman side by side with the Atman. Like two birds on the branch of the tree. One bird is observing what the other is doing. I am following Chaitanya Mahaprabhu 's philosophy, Acintya Bheda Abheda Tattva, which means that the Atman and Paramatman/Parambrahman are simultaneously one yet different. To a nondualist, there's no separation between Atman and Parambrahman. All are one. So, a nondualist who realizes he's one with the Parambrahman merges into the Absolute Truth and has become the Parambrahman/God himself. Are you? AI Detector: "0% of this text is likely AI-generated" In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna explains the nature of the soul (Atman) and its journey after death. According to Krishna, the soul is eternal and does not die with the physical body. Instead, it transitions to another state of existence. In Chapter 2, Verse 13, Krishna states that just as the body undergoes changes from childhood to old age and ultimately dies, the soul similarly transitions to another body after death. The soul is described as indestructible and everlasting: "Just as the body undergoes changes from childhood to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The wise are not deluded by this." In Chapter 2, Verse 22, Krishna further elaborates that just as we change clothes, the soul leaves one body and takes on another: "Just as a person discards old clothes and puts on new ones, in the same way, the soul discards old bodies and enters new ones." Thus, according to Lord Krishna, consciousness, or the soul, does not go anywhere in the sense of physical displacement; rather, it undergoes a process of rebirth, taking on new physical forms based on its karma (actions) and desires accumulated during its previous lives. AI Detector: "78% of this text is likely AI-generated" Surreal and Unreal It`s between the unreal and real. You can see it happening when the past and present merge and become one giving you a picture and feeling of nostalgia. Of something profound which happened from your past life manifesting in the present. It`s this feeling and thinking of one hit by puff of lighted ganja stick, a dose of codeine to remedy a persistent cough, several gulps of ice cold beer, a sip of Scotch whisky with brewed coffee. Dreamy it may seem but it`s what seekers do of truth to get them going, experiencing illusions and delusions of this world. Once surreal. No need to take in anything to prep up wakefulness in one's mind. AI Detector: "0% of this text is likely AI-generated" Notice the difference? The AI Detector needs 80 words minimum in order to analyze. For fun, I just ran ZD's earlier post (I add "ha ha" at the end for the 80 words required, and I also also ran a version of it I asked AI to polish and clarify. These are the result: Original: "FWIW, there is no "merging" with the Absolute because there are not two of anything, and it takes two to "merge." The realization is that what one IS is already the Absolute, but this does not mean what most people imagine. It doesn't mean special powers or anything like that. It means that one's ordinary everyday life is how the Absolute manifests. It's like relaxing into a felt sense of "flow" without the need to reflect upon it. ha ha" 0% of text is likely AI-generated and Polished: "For what it’s worth, there’s no actual ‘merging’ with the Absolute, because there’s no separation to begin with—no two things to unite. Realization isn’t about gaining special powers or mystical abilities; it’s simply recognizing that your true nature is already the Absolute. This means that the flow of your ordinary, everyday life is how the Absolute expresses itself. It’s more like relaxing into a natural rhythm or state of ease, without needing to think about it or analyze it. ha ha" 0% of text is likely AI-generated Hmmm. It didn't detect any AI generated influence? Not even a partial detection? Why might that be? |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 13, 2024 10:09:45 GMT -5
AI Detector: "100% of this text is likely AI-generated" www.scribbr.com/ai-detector/AI Detector: "72% of this text is likely AI-generated" AI Detector: "0% of this text is likely AI-generated" AI Detector: "78% of this text is likely AI-generated" AI Detector: "0% of this text is likely AI-generated" Notice the difference? The AI Detector needs 80 words minimum in order to analyze. For fun, I just ran ZD's earlier post (I add "ha ha" at the end for the 80 words required, and I also also ran a version of it I asked AI to polish and clarify. These are the result: Original: "FWIW, there is no "merging" with the Absolute because there are not two of anything, and it takes two to "merge." The realization is that what one IS is already the Absolute, but this does not mean what most people imagine. It doesn't mean special powers or anything like that. It means that one's ordinary everyday life is how the Absolute manifests. It's like relaxing into a felt sense of "flow" without the need to reflect upon it. ha ha" 0% of text is likely AI-generated and Polished: "For what it’s worth, there’s no actual ‘merging’ with the Absolute, because there’s no separation to begin with—no two things to unite. Realization isn’t about gaining special powers or mystical abilities; it’s simply recognizing that your true nature is already the Absolute. This means that the flow of your ordinary, everyday life is how the Absolute expresses itself. It’s more like relaxing into a natural rhythm or state of ease, without needing to think about it or analyze it. ha ha" 0% of text is likely AI-generated Hmmm. It didn't detect any AI generated influence? Not even a partial detection? Why might that be? You need to duplicate the text if it is below the minimum word count. If you add nonsense words, then you are obviously adding real human input. That being said, it's not a perfect tool, there are other AI detectors, too. BTW, some news articles are also either 100% AI-generated or at least assisted by AI. Not to mention facebook, of course. AI is slowly seeping into all areas of communication. The question is, why does Melvin have to rely on AI? If most of his recent posts are AI-generated, why should anyone keep talking to Melvin and not chatgpt instead? |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 13, 2024 10:13:55 GMT -5
The AI Detector needs 80 words minimum in order to analyze. For fun, I just ran ZD's earlier post (I add "ha ha" at the end for the 80 words required, and I also also ran a version of it I asked AI to polish and clarify. These are the result: Original: "FWIW, there is no "merging" with the Absolute because there are not two of anything, and it takes two to "merge." The realization is that what one IS is already the Absolute, but this does not mean what most people imagine. It doesn't mean special powers or anything like that. It means that one's ordinary everyday life is how the Absolute manifests. It's like relaxing into a felt sense of "flow" without the need to reflect upon it. ha ha" 0% of text is likely AI-generated and Polished: "For what it’s worth, there’s no actual ‘merging’ with the Absolute, because there’s no separation to begin with—no two things to unite. Realization isn’t about gaining special powers or mystical abilities; it’s simply recognizing that your true nature is already the Absolute. This means that the flow of your ordinary, everyday life is how the Absolute expresses itself. It’s more like relaxing into a natural rhythm or state of ease, without needing to think about it or analyze it. ha ha" 0% of text is likely AI-generated Hmmm. It didn't detect any AI generated influence? Not even a partial detection? Why might that be? You need to duplicate the text if it is below the minimum word count. If you add nonsense words, then you are obviously adding real human input. That being said, it's not a perfect tool, there are other AI detectors, too. BTW, some news articles are also either 100% AI-generated or at least assisted by AI. Just did it again repeating the opening words: "For what it’s worth, there’s no actual ‘merging’ with the Absolute, because there’s no separation to begin with—no two things to unite. Realization isn’t about gaining special powers or mystical abilities; it’s simply recognizing that your true nature is already the Absolute. This means that the flow of your ordinary, everyday life is how the Absolute expresses itself. It’s more like relaxing into a natural rhythm or state of ease, without needing to think about it or analyze it. For what its worth." 0% of text is likely AI-generated And yes, many articles are AI generated. Doesn't mean the info is/isn't true. Discernment is always called for. |
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