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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 31, 2024 23:03:56 GMT -5
She describes well what it's like to dialogue with someone who will not acknowledge that they exist, as a person. Everybody you know or dialogue with, sees you as a person, you are a person, to them. And she is quite blunt. But I guess it's OK to offend people, if you don't exist.
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Post by zazeniac on Aug 1, 2024 7:47:51 GMT -5
She describes well what it's like to dialogue with someone who will not acknowledge that they exist, as a person. Everybody you know or dialogue with, sees you as a person, you are a person, to them. And she is quite blunt. But I guess it's OK to offend people, if you don't exist. It makes sense to me. Out of curiosity, was it the "doer" or the "witness" who posted this? I'm not disagreeing. Just curious. |
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Post by zendancer on Aug 1, 2024 9:34:30 GMT -5
She describes well what it's like to dialogue with someone who will not acknowledge that they exist, as a person. Everybody you know or dialogue with, sees you as a person, you are a person, to them. And she is quite blunt. But I guess it's OK to offend people, if you don't exist. This is like a no-brainer from my POV. Zen people will NOT say that there is no SVP; they will say that SVP and not-SVP are two sides of the same coin. Same same regarding a body/mind organism or anything else. This is why one of Suzuki Roshi's students said, "I extend my no-hand to you in greeting." It was his way of saying, "This is neither a hand nor not a hand; it is what it is, but I use the term 'not-hand' to point beyond the consensus paradigm." The truth lies beyond conception, but we use words to point to it. Most of the time sages negate students' ideas about reality in an attempt to help them discover what lies beyond all of their ideas. Again, existence is a concept, so if there's no conceptualization, there is no imagined separation. As the Third Patriarch of Zen put it, "In this world of suchness no distinction is possible." As soon as the mind cranks up, existence comes forth from the undivided in the form of distinctions. In short, "the ten-thousand things" is an imaginary projection of the intellect. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 1, 2024 10:23:54 GMT -5
She describes well what it's like to dialogue with someone who will not acknowledge that they exist, as a person. Everybody you know or dialogue with, sees you as a person, you are a person, to them. And she is quite blunt. But I guess it's OK to offend people, if you don't exist. It makes sense to me. Out of curiosity, was it the "doer" or the "witness" who posted this? I'm not disagreeing. Just curious. I don't know her name, she just popped up last night. All I know so far is she is off the grid. I only watched two of her videos, this and the other. (It was late). |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 1, 2024 10:44:02 GMT -5
She describes well what it's like to dialogue with someone who will not acknowledge that they exist, as a person. Everybody you know or dialogue with, sees you as a person, you are a person, to them. And she is quite blunt. But I guess it's OK to offend people, if you don't exist. This is like a no-brainer from my POV. Zen people will NOT say that there is no SVP; they will say that SVP and not-SVP are two sides of the same coin. Same same regarding a body/mind organism or anything else. This is why one of Suzuki Roshi's students said, "I extend my no-hand to you in greeting." It was his way of saying, "This is neither a hand nor not a hand; it is what it is, but I use the term 'not-hand' to point beyond the consensus paradigm." The truth lies beyond conception, but we use words to point to it. Most of the time sages negate students' ideas about reality in an attempt to help them discover what lies beyond all of their ideas. Again, existence is a concept, so if there's no conceptualization, there is no imagined separation. As the Third Patriarch of Zen put it, "In this world of suchness no distinction is possible." As soon as the mind cranks up, existence comes forth from the undivided in the form of distinctions. In short, "the ten-thousand things" is an imaginary projection of the intellect. I will have to consider this (post)...like, forever. You've completely lost me on this. I've said numerous times, nonduality makes everything equal. And then I get right back, usually from laughter, no, no, no, you don't understand, it doesn't. This, I can live with. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 1, 2024 11:23:40 GMT -5
She describes well what it's like to dialogue with someone who will not acknowledge that they exist, as a person. Everybody you know or dialogue with, sees you as a person, you are a person, to them. And she is quite blunt. But I guess it's OK to offend people, if you don't exist. . Zen people will NOT say that there is no SVP; they will say that SVP and not-SVP are two sides of the same coin. Same same regarding a body/mind organism or anything else. This is why one of Suzuki Roshi's students said, "I extend my no-hand to you in greeting." It was his way of saying, "This is neither a hand nor not a hand; it is what it is, but I use the term 'not-hand' to point beyond the consensus paradigm." The truth lies beyond conception, but we use words to point to it. Most of the time sages negate students' ideas about reality in an attempt to help them discover what lies beyond all of their ideas. Again, existence is a concept, so if there's no conceptualization, there is no imagined separation. As the Third Patriarch of Zen put it, "In this world of suchness no distinction is possible." As soon as the mind cranks up, existence comes forth from the undivided in the form of distinctions. In short, "the ten-thousand things" is an imaginary projection of the intellect. I only listened to 9 minutes of this, so far. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 2, 2024 14:45:45 GMT -5
This is like a no-brainer from my POV. Zen people will NOT say that there is no SVP; they will say that SVP and not-SVP are two sides of the same coin. Same same regarding a body/mind organism or anything else. This is why one of Suzuki Roshi's students said, "I extend my no-hand to you in greeting." It was his way of saying, "This is neither a hand nor not a hand; it is what it is, but I use the term 'not-hand' to point beyond the consensus paradigm." The truth lies beyond conception, but we use words to point to it. Most of the time sages negate students' ideas about reality in an attempt to help them discover what lies beyond all of their ideas. Again, existence is a concept, so if there's no conceptualization, there is no imagined separation. As the Third Patriarch of Zen put it, "In this world of suchness no distinction is possible." As soon as the mind cranks up, existence comes forth from the undivided in the form of distinctions. In short, "the ten-thousand things" is an imaginary projection of the intellect. I only listened to 9 minutes of this, so far. I listened to the lady one Pilgrim. In a way she is just saying what I have been banging on about for a decade. I think videos like this are cropping up more and more, but equally so, the same old shite keeps popping up also. I mean, in a way I shouldn't click bait the new non dualists that wanna speak the same old stuff that are just nonsense to get famous online.. I will try harder  |
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