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Post by sharon on Jul 22, 2024 2:25:48 GMT -5
jamalajubileeharrah for president. Hi Fea, I know we haven't spoke much but I just wanted to let you know that we have a no politics rule on this forum. It may have helped some men to keep the noise down in their heads over the years. |
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Post by sharon on Jul 23, 2024 2:47:38 GMT -5
This is not polictics. And I'm glad we don't speak much. What are you carrying your water in? |
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Post by sharon on Jul 23, 2024 4:01:55 GMT -5
I don't like crosstalk. Makes me feel afraid. Maybe there is another way to be the change you want to see happening so to speak. You are correct. Talking about politics could get ugly because of how afraid it makes people feel. Fear is not like spirituality because it fosters addictive communicative behaviors. My ulterior motive was never really to talk about politics but to encourage people to talk about their feelings. No matter what I write about (as a human feeling person) crosstalk is a lot worse than any violation of communicative impropriety. I am going to stipulate that it is not politics that makes people crazy but the hostility caused by crosstalk. If people could listen without judging, the spirtual and the non spiritual, I believe, would sort themselves out naturally-- without punches being thrown, without house rules being enacted. It's the crosstalk that is getting in the way of folks carrying water. I appologize when I said I was "glad we don't talk." I didn't mean it. I was crosstalking. I was angry because I was crosstalking and I knew I was capable of a greater love. Thank for forgiving me, Sharon, I hope. I was interested to see what you would do with the advice, now I know. Thank you. I started a to-feel list two years ago.. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/5859/feel-list It didn't really take off..  ..  .. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 23, 2024 7:36:03 GMT -5
I don't like crosstalk. Makes me feel afraid. Maybe there is another way to be the change you want to see happening so to speak. You are correct. Talking about politics could get ugly because of how afraid it makes people feel. Fear is not like spirituality because it fosters addictive communicative behaviors. My ulterior motive was never really to talk about politics but to encourage people to talk about their feelings. No matter what I write about (as a human feeling person) crosstalk is a lot worse than any violation of communicative impropriety. I am going to stipulate that it is not politics that makes people crazy but the hostility caused by crosstalk. If people could listen without judging, the spirtual and the non spiritual, I believe, would sort themselves out naturally-- without punches being thrown, without house rules being enacted. It's the crosstalk that is getting in the way of folks carrying water. I appologize when I said I was "glad we don't talk." I didn't mean it. I was crosstalking. I was angry because I was crosstalking and I knew I was capable of a greater love. Thank for forgiving me, Sharon, I hope. God loves you, you are perfect exactly as you are, who or what "punches" or, "feels the blows", and, what is there to forgive?  One of the reasons that politics magnetizes negative energy is because we become convinced that something is true. Not "true" in the existential sense, but a relative, material truth. As gopal might say, "in the dream", as zd might say "a product of imagination". This sort of "truth" might seem related to 2+2=4, but real life is never as simple as that. You are right that the negativity is related to fear, but that doesn't happen the same way for everyone. There is a cliche that goes something like "don't compare your insides to another's outsides". There are also a myriad of other social issues besides politics that will stir passion. For example, in the 1990's there was a debate among the developers of EMACS. One group supported the virtuous, commonsense premise that whitespace in files should be represented by the space character (ASCII x20), while a group of degenerate savages advocated for the folly of using the "tab" (ASCII x09). There are clever metaphors that can be used to demonstrate how truth can be a matter of perspective, but then the mind can fall into a sort of confusion where up is down, yes means no and hot means cold. This is disorienting, in part, because of the mechanics of our body/mind relative to what we think and feel is not our body/mind: for one thing, as the 'pilgrim can explain, mind does alot of "filling in the blanks". ZD sometimes refers to the term "meta-reality" (and again, gopal, like Enigma, uses the dream/dreamer metaphor). This is related to a common term you might recognize from current popular discourse: the "narrative". A recent user who has been scarce of late, inavalen, used to be fond of illustrating this with the occasional interesting optical illusion. Sometimes, perspectives counter to the "narrative" that we are familiar with, can seem .. disconcerting. The theme here is transcendent of narrative, which doesn't mean that we, as a group, are invulnerable to the sort of negative energy vortex that constantly consumes much of popular culture, so, keeping politics private is just a practical consideration (and, interesting enough, is an inversion of the internet norm), and all this is just a long winded exposition of what Sharon already wrote about it. .. but then again, the early, non-military internet was dominated by sharing recipes. I shudder to think.  |
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Post by zazeniac on Jul 25, 2024 9:20:13 GMT -5
I don't really want to chop wood. Tonight I want to carry water. I want to carry water to a swimming pool. The swimming pool I had in mind is my own. It is still out of service even though it's July. I was thinking since the Bronx River is only a half mile away, I could get get a hand truck and fill 2 five gallon water jugs with Bronx River water and bring it to my swimming pool. Do you have any idea how many trips it would take to fill my swimming pool? There are 20,000 gallons of water in an averaged-sized swimming pool. 10 divided by 20,000 means it would take 2000 trips to fill my swimming pool. Maybe I could do 50 trips per day. It would take me 40 days. I would finish my task mid september provided the local police were on board. No way! How would I get the water into the jugs. I would have to scoop it out and pour into a funnel. I could only do about 20 trips a day. I would not be finished until mid december! It's too cold to go swimming in december. Nevertheless I would ask my relatives if they would like to go swimming in the Bronx River. I knew they were not going to do it. Not even if were July and it was very hot outside. Nobody trusts the water that comes out of the Bronx River. But I filled my pool anyway. I enjoyed the novelty of doing something no one has ever done before! Really I have carried no such water. All I have really done here was bore the reader to tears. Sometime the reader has trouble sleeping. "Hey featherlamp," he says. "Ccan you write one of those long stories that doesn't have an ending? I need to go to sleep." I am like sure. I can do it. A swimming pool near the Bronx River. Sounds familiar. Do you own a yacht? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 25, 2024 10:03:52 GMT -5
I don't really want to chop wood. Tonight I want to carry water. I want to carry water to a swimming pool. The swimming pool I had in mind is my own. It is still out of service even though it's July. I was thinking since the Bronx River is only a half mile away, I could get get a hand truck and fill 2 five gallon water jugs with Bronx River water and bring it to my swimming pool. Do you have any idea how many trips it would take to fill my swimming pool? There are 20,000 gallons of water in an averaged-sized swimming pool. 10 divided by 20,000 means it would take 2000 trips to fill my swimming pool. Maybe I could do 50 trips per day. It would take me 40 days. I would finish my task mid september provided the local police were on board. No way! How would I get the water into the jugs. I would have to scoop it out and pour into a funnel. I could only do about 20 trips a day. I would not be finished until mid december! It's too cold to go swimming in december. Nevertheless I would ask my relatives if they would like to go swimming in the Bronx River. I knew they were not going to do it. Not even if were July and it was very hot outside. Nobody trusts the water that comes out of the Bronx River. But I filled my pool anyway. I enjoyed the novelty of doing something no one has ever done before! Really I have carried no such water. All I have really done here was bore the reader to tears. Sometime the reader has trouble sleeping. "Hey featherlamp," he says. "Ccan you write one of those long stories that doesn't have an ending? I need to go to sleep." I am like sure. I can do it. A swimming pool near the Bronx River. Sounds familiar. Do you own a yacht? |
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