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Post by andrew on May 24, 2024 19:28:52 GMT -5
To exclude anything that appears in your universe is not love. Love joins with everything. It doesn't exclude the monster. It doesn't avoid the nightmare — it looks forward to it.
A lover of what is looks forward to everything: life, death, disease, loss, earthquakes, bombs, anything the mind might be tempted to call 'bad.' Life will bring us everything we need, to show us what we haven't undone yet. Nothing outside ourselves can make us suffer. Except for our unquestioned thoughts, every place is paradise.
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2024 5:38:52 GMT -5
To exclude anything that appears in your universe is not love. Love joins with everything. It doesn't exclude the monster. It doesn't avoid the nightmare — it looks forward to it. A lover of what is looks forward to everything: life, death, disease, loss, earthquakes, bombs, anything the mind might be tempted to call 'bad.' Life will bring us everything we need, to show us what we haven't undone yet. Nothing outside ourselves can make us suffer. Except for our unquestioned thoughts, every place is paradise. BK I'd say that's spiritual bypassing at its finest. |
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Post by laughter on May 25, 2024 6:53:26 GMT -5
To exclude anything that appears in your universe is not love. Love joins with everything. It doesn't exclude the monster. It doesn't avoid the nightmare — it looks forward to it. A lover of what is looks forward to everything: life, death, disease, loss, earthquakes, bombs, anything the mind might be tempted to call 'bad.' Life will bring us everything we need, to show us what we haven't undone yet. Nothing outside ourselves can make us suffer. Except for our unquestioned thoughts, every place is paradise. BK I'd say that's spiritual bypassing at its finest. Did she ever express a different perspective later on? Might just be the growls of a grizzly on the top of a mountain that ain't a mountain no more. |
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Post by andrew on May 25, 2024 7:33:42 GMT -5
To exclude anything that appears in your universe is not love. Love joins with everything. It doesn't exclude the monster. It doesn't avoid the nightmare — it looks forward to it. A lover of what is looks forward to everything: life, death, disease, loss, earthquakes, bombs, anything the mind might be tempted to call 'bad.' Life will bring us everything we need, to show us what we haven't undone yet. Nothing outside ourselves can make us suffer. Except for our unquestioned thoughts, every place is paradise. BK I'd say that's spiritual bypassing at its finest. If someone else said it, I might think so. From her, I don't think so. |
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2024 9:03:19 GMT -5
I'd say that's spiritual bypassing at its finest. Did she ever express a different perspective later on? Might just be the growls of a grizzly on the top of a mountain that ain't a mountain no more. I'm not a Katie expert. I only remember her conversation with UG, which was quite telling: Also, take a look at this: thework.com/2016/05/you-have-cancer/ |
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2024 9:08:44 GMT -5
I'd say that's spiritual bypassing at its finest. If someone else said it, I might think so. From her, I don't think so. She is quite obviously mixing contexts. Where did you find that quote? |
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Post by andrew on May 25, 2024 9:20:56 GMT -5
If someone else said it, I might think so. From her, I don't think so. She is quite obviously mixing contexts. Where did you find that quote? One is from ''Question Your Thinking, Change The World', the other from ''Thousand Names For Joy'' I've read 3 of her books, and picked at bits from a 4th. I find her individual spiritual expression in the world to be very unique, and totally authentic. Not everyone's cup of tea, but profound for the right person in the right context. |
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Post by andrew on May 25, 2024 9:25:40 GMT -5
I find this one interesting, and challenging.
''Sadness is always a sign that you’re believing a stressful thought that isn’t true for you. It’s a constriction, and it feels bad. Conventional wisdom says differently, but the truth is that sadness isn’t rational, it isn’t a natural response, and it can’t ever help you. It just indicates the loss of reality, the loss of the awareness of love. Sadness is the war with what is. It’s a tantrum. You can experience it only when you’re arguing with God. When the mind is clear, there isn’t any sadness. There can’t be.''
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2024 9:28:29 GMT -5
She is quite obviously mixing contexts. Where did you find that quote? One is from ''Question Your Thinking, Change The World', the other from ''Thousand Names For Joy'' I've read 3 of her books, and picked at bits from a 4th. I find her individual spiritual expression in the world to be very unique, and totally authentic. Not everyone's cup of tea, but profound for the right person in the right context. What book would you recommend? I'll read it and then get back to you. I could be wrong after all. In non-duality, context is everything. However, the quote you posted is self-contradictory. |
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2024 9:35:54 GMT -5
I find this one interesting, and challenging. ''Sadness is always a sign that you’re believing a stressful thought that isn’t true for you. It’s a constriction, and it feels bad. Conventional wisdom says differently, but the truth is that sadness isn’t rational, it isn’t a natural response, and it can’t ever help you. It just indicates the loss of reality, the loss of the awareness of love. Sadness is the war with what is. It’s a tantrum. You can experience it only when you’re arguing with God. When the mind is clear, there isn’t any sadness. There can’t be.'' BK It seems to me she is into deconstructing beliefs. Is that correct? |
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Post by zendancer on May 25, 2024 9:54:40 GMT -5
I find this one interesting, and challenging. ''Sadness is always a sign that you’re believing a stressful thought that isn’t true for you. It’s a constriction, and it feels bad. Conventional wisdom says differently, but the truth is that sadness isn’t rational, it isn’t a natural response, and it can’t ever help you. It just indicates the loss of reality, the loss of the awareness of love. Sadness is the war with what is. It’s a tantrum. You can experience it only when you’re arguing with God. When the mind is clear, there isn’t any sadness. There can’t be.'' BK It seems to me she is into deconstructing beliefs. Is that correct? Yes. That was her path and what she recommends. Many people have found her approach helpful. ATST I've met people who may spend the rest of their lives doing this without ever getting free. |
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Post by zendancer on May 25, 2024 10:07:36 GMT -5
As one example, I talked to a woman who told me how irritated she became at her husband who always left his clothes lying around and would never pick them up. She did BK's "Work" and realized that she was the one bothered his action. IOW, it was her problem. She realized that she had the choice of whether to remain irritated or pick up the clothes herself. She decided tp pick them up. I suggested another alternative--that she could throw whatever clothes he left on the floor in the trash, and let him deal with the consequences. That's one way of dealing with a child who ignores certain rules.
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2024 10:20:27 GMT -5
It seems to me she is into deconstructing beliefs. Is that correct? Yes. That was her path and what she recommends. Many people have found her approach helpful. ATST I've met people who may spend the rest of their lives doing this without ever getting free. Yeah, at best it can free you from limiting beliefs, at worst it is just another form of mental kungfu that leads to spiritual bypassing. Here's from her website: What is the "you" that her four questions are directed at? What about realizing "your" true nature? Seeing thru the SVP? Does she address those issues?
If she doesn't address the SVP issue, then what she offers is just another form of self-help mixed in with a bit of non-duality lingo. Which would be the infamous context mix I mentioned earlier.
You can talk about self-help. No problem. You can talk about non-duality. No problem. But you cannot throw them together. They have to be discussed separately. Or else it's just identity poker, the false witness position. Which is the impression I got from her.
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt though until I have actually read her book(s). We'll see.
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Post by andrew on May 25, 2024 10:54:11 GMT -5
One is from ''Question Your Thinking, Change The World', the other from ''Thousand Names For Joy'' I've read 3 of her books, and picked at bits from a 4th. I find her individual spiritual expression in the world to be very unique, and totally authentic. Not everyone's cup of tea, but profound for the right person in the right context. What book would you recommend? I'll read it and then get back to you. I could be wrong after all. In non-duality, context is everything. However, the quote you posted is self-contradictory. The first 2 carry the core message, but are more practical. For you, as you enjoy the deeper and more intellectual side of things, I'd say the third one ...'Thousand Names For Joy' |
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Post by andrew on May 25, 2024 10:55:54 GMT -5
I find this one interesting, and challenging. ''Sadness is always a sign that you’re believing a stressful thought that isn’t true for you. It’s a constriction, and it feels bad. Conventional wisdom says differently, but the truth is that sadness isn’t rational, it isn’t a natural response, and it can’t ever help you. It just indicates the loss of reality, the loss of the awareness of love. Sadness is the war with what is. It’s a tantrum. You can experience it only when you’re arguing with God. When the mind is clear, there isn’t any sadness. There can’t be.'' BK It seems to me she is into deconstructing beliefs. Is that correct? She would call it 'investigating' beliefs. Through the investigating, the releasing happens, but it's not really 'you' that is releasing them. |
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