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Post by laughter on May 6, 2024 9:05:08 GMT -5
My memory of it is pretty common of what I've read of a few others. Tolle tricks his readers into a number of meditative practices. I say "tricks" because he never used the word "meditation". He offers his reader the suggestion that "You Are not Your Mind", so then, the natural question becomes (even if one isn't consciously aware that this is what they are asking, I wasn't), "well, then, what am I?". He then points to the subtle, silent awareness that is always here and now, and refers to the "felt oneness" .. with THAT. A glorious collapse and eventual period of nearly complete non-knowing and existential confusion and maximally intense questioning eventually ensued .. which was quite exhilarating while it lasted. I've read and heard similar stories, but no one story is exactly like the next, and I think that actively attempting to follow in someone else's footsteps is just as likely to be unhelpful than helpful. Better to listen to the type of advice ZD wrote here, and then follow with what resonates. That list is essentially the tip of an iceberg, but all one needs to taste the lake of the truth, is one pure glass of the water of life and love. It's not necessary to go on a magical mystery tour. One will find him or herself, where ever they happen to be, whenever it happens to happen. There are lots of good advice out there so to speak as ways and means to find oneself, butt for some as discussed to some degree over the years with other's is that there is no one present that meditates. There is no one to find, there is nothing to do etc. Magic mystery tours to some are just reconnecting and remembering what needs to be remembered. You see some don't see any benefits in purifying or forgiving oneself or other's for many a reason but if one is ignorant to what happened 500 years ago one might not understand what possible effects it has on oneself in the present moment. I don't follow Tolle at all but all this being aware of awareness or whatever he say's is good in some respects but it doesn't get to the nitty gritty of what needs to be done underneath the surface. This is why my self enquiry brought the shite to the surface and wasn't like the self enquiry of repeating mantra all day long or focussing on I am. Many know I am an advocate of transformational processes. It reflects my alchemic backgrounds, again from previous incarnations. You see everything can at a point come together, but there is so much lacking and not understood if one want's to bypass all of this and try and get into a space which I would say bypasses what needs to be resolved in some shape or form. Again, it about remembering and integrating. Understanding why certain things are not present within awareness, like the realisation of what you are. I don't equate purification and a magical mystery tour, although either of the two can certainly lead to the other, and it seems that they often do. However it happens, is however it happens. In the biggest of pictures, in the widest of contexts, there is no wrong way to exist, and that's what the pointers to the absolute are expressing. The pointer that there is nothing to do, nothing to get and nowhere to go is one that not everyone might benefit from. It's meant for someone who is right on the edge of the cliff. Certainly, in the converse, there are those who would benefit from it that reject it. |
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Post by tenka on May 6, 2024 13:39:15 GMT -5
There are lots of good advice out there so to speak as ways and means to find oneself, butt for some as discussed to some degree over the years with other's is that there is no one present that meditates. There is no one to find, there is nothing to do etc. Magic mystery tours to some are just reconnecting and remembering what needs to be remembered. You see some don't see any benefits in purifying or forgiving oneself or other's for many a reason but if one is ignorant to what happened 500 years ago one might not understand what possible effects it has on oneself in the present moment. I don't follow Tolle at all but all this being aware of awareness or whatever he say's is good in some respects but it doesn't get to the nitty gritty of what needs to be done underneath the surface. This is why my self enquiry brought the shite to the surface and wasn't like the self enquiry of repeating mantra all day long or focussing on I am. Many know I am an advocate of transformational processes. It reflects my alchemic backgrounds, again from previous incarnations. You see everything can at a point come together, but there is so much lacking and not understood if one want's to bypass all of this and try and get into a space which I would say bypasses what needs to be resolved in some shape or form. Again, it about remembering and integrating. Understanding why certain things are not present within awareness, like the realisation of what you are. I don't equate purification and a magical mystery tour, although either of the two can certainly lead to the other, and it seems that they often do. However it happens, is however it happens. In the biggest of pictures, in the widest of contexts, there is no wrong way to exist, and that's what the pointers to the absolute are expressing. The pointer that there is nothing to do, nothing to get and nowhere to go is one that not everyone might benefit from. It's meant for someone who is right on the edge of the cliff. Certainly, in the converse, there are those who would benefit from it that reject it. I would agree the magical mystery tour can lead to purification and vice versa it's the domino in effect. I would also agree there is no wrong way to exist but in regards to alchemy or transformative workings of energy certain results are attained depending on what one does or doesn't do. This is why at a point there is a process that works. S.R. is the result of getting the right process engaged. There is no time limit, there are no limits to how many goes we can have at trying or not trying to attain the answers to all our questions. Something from each lifetime even if not remembered adds a string to our bow. The thing is for some they have a spontaneous realisation out of the blue and say there was nothing to do. S.R. does just spontaneously fall on a peeps lap despite how it might look. |
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Post by laughter on May 7, 2024 0:10:37 GMT -5
I don't equate purification and a magical mystery tour, although either of the two can certainly lead to the other, and it seems that they often do. However it happens, is however it happens. In the biggest of pictures, in the widest of contexts, there is no wrong way to exist, and that's what the pointers to the absolute are expressing. The pointer that there is nothing to do, nothing to get and nowhere to go is one that not everyone might benefit from. It's meant for someone who is right on the edge of the cliff. Certainly, in the converse, there are those who would benefit from it that reject it. I would agree the magical mystery tour can lead to purification and vice versa it's the domino in effect. I would also agree there is no wrong way to exist but in regards to alchemy or transformative workings of energy certain results are attained depending on what one does or doesn't do. This is why at a point there is a process that works. S.R. is the result of getting the right process engaged. There is no time limit, there are no limits to how many goes we can have at trying or not trying to attain the answers to all our questions. Something from each lifetime even if not remembered adds a string to our bow. The thing is for some they have a spontaneous realisation out of the blue and say there was nothing to do. S.R. does just spontaneously fall on a peeps lap despite how it might look. It's undeniable that there is change, flow and transformation going on, all the time, everywhere, constantly. I can rezz with the notion of "energy work", The potential for point and counter-point on the dichotomy between realization of the absolute, and how it relates to that flow, is just as endless.  |
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Post by tenka on May 10, 2024 14:17:23 GMT -5
I would agree the magical mystery tour can lead to purification and vice versa it's the domino in effect. I would also agree there is no wrong way to exist but in regards to alchemy or transformative workings of energy certain results are attained depending on what one does or doesn't do. This is why at a point there is a process that works. S.R. is the result of getting the right process engaged. There is no time limit, there are no limits to how many goes we can have at trying or not trying to attain the answers to all our questions. Something from each lifetime even if not remembered adds a string to our bow. The thing is for some they have a spontaneous realisation out of the blue and say there was nothing to do. S.R. does just spontaneously fall on a peeps lap despite how it might look. It's undeniable that there is change, flow and transformation going on, all the time, everywhere, constantly. I can rezz with the notion of "energy work", The potential for point and counter-point on the dichotomy between realization of the absolute, and how it relates to that flow, is just as endless. Again, that can only be ascertained if one knows the bigger picture pertaining to the flow of what has been experienced prior to ones present awareness, realised or not. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 10, 2024 16:45:34 GMT -5
It's undeniable that there is change, flow and transformation going on, all the time, everywhere, constantly. I can rezz with the notion of "energy work", The potential for point and counter-point on the dichotomy between realization of the absolute, and how it relates to that flow, is just as endless. Again, that can only be ascertained if one knows the bigger picture pertaining to the flow of what has been experienced prior to ones present awareness, realised or not. Bingo. |
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