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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 11:03:04 GMT -5
Maybe I wanted to see who would quote me, before I non-vented. I downsized within a few minutes, and then again. Going to again... Do you believe in the "as within so without" rule? And if yes, why should that not apply to Niz and RM? I explained. The without could have been past-life-karma working out. It takes a lot to cancel-out karma. It's not like the instant karma of stepping on the working end of an upturned garden rake. Within and without can be separated by many years, and lives. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2024 12:58:10 GMT -5
Do you believe in the "as within so without" rule? And if yes, why should that not apply to Niz and RM? I explained. The without could have been past-life-karma working out. It takes a lot to cancel-out karma. It's not like the instant karma of stepping on the working end of an upturned garden rake. Within and without can be separated by many years, and lives. So Niz and RM died of cancer because of past karma? Seriously? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 13:09:22 GMT -5
I explained. The without could have been past-life-karma working out. It takes a lot to cancel-out karma. It's not like the instant karma of stepping on the working end of an upturned garden rake. Within and without can be separated by many years, and lives. So Niz and RM died of cancer because of past karma? Seriously? I wouldn't presume to know. That's just a part of the meaning of karma. I would have thought you would have been thoroughly versed in karma. All people are intimately tied to their thoughts, but mostly their actions, karma means doing. It's like an immense spiderweb in space and time, connecting everything. So consequences, from the seeds of actions, is the meaning of karma. That's why the present moment is so significant, one can only-act-now. I don't know why inavalan doesn't get that (either). |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2024 13:14:37 GMT -5
So Niz and RM died of cancer because of past karma? Seriously? I wouldn't presume to know. That's just a part of the meaning of karma. I would have thought you would have been thoroughly versed in karma. All people are intimately tied to their thoughts, but mostly their actions, karma means doing. It's like an immense spiderweb in space and time, connecting everything. So consequences, from the seeds of actions, is the meaning of karma. That's why the present moment is so significant, one can only-act-now. I don't know why inavalan doesn't get that (either). I know the theory quite well, but it doesn't stand the test of reason nor practical experience. The point of power is in the present. There is only NOW. Anyone who groks that will see thru the karma chameleon maya. Inavalan understands time and is a follower of Seth. And even Seth (!) says that karma is a nonsense. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 13:25:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't presume to know. That's just a part of the meaning of karma. I would have thought you would have been thoroughly versed in karma. All people are intimately tied to their thoughts, but mostly their actions, karma means doing. It's like an immense spiderweb in space and time, connecting everything. So consequences, from the seeds of actions, is the meaning of karma. That's why the present moment is so significant, one can only-act-now. I don't know why inavalan doesn't get that (either). I know the theory quite well, but it doesn't stand the test of reason nor practical experience. The point of power is in the present. There is only NOW. Anyone who groks that will see thru the karma chameleon maya. Inavalan understands time and is a follower of Seth. And even Seth (!) says that karma is a nonsense. Most people are so overwhelmed by their past, that the present is like a crashing 20 foot wave. Of course we can learn to surf. That doesn't negate the law of karma. The law of gravity cannot be negated. But birds exist, as do planes. Consequences are always tied to actions. That's all karma means. Saying karma doesn't exist doesn't make it so. Karma is like a balloon payment we didn't know about because we didn't read the fine print. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2024 13:38:39 GMT -5
I know the theory quite well, but it doesn't stand the test of reason nor practical experience. The point of power is in the present. There is only NOW. Anyone who groks that will see thru the karma chameleon maya. Inavalan understands time and is a follower of Seth. And even Seth (!) says that karma is a nonsense. Most people are so overwhelmed by their past, that the present is like a crashing 20 foot wave. Of course we can learn to surf. That doesn't negate the law of karma. The law of gravity cannot be negated. But birds exist, as do planes. Consequences are always tied to actions. That's all karma means. Saying karma doesn't exist doesn't make it so. Karma is like a balloon payment we didn't know about because we didn't read the fine print. Forget karma. Karma is a misconception of LOA. And karma is tied to time and space. LOA is not. So you'd be better off studying LOA instead, because LOA trumps karma. |
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Post by tenka on Jan 27, 2024 14:57:52 GMT -5
I know the theory quite well, but it doesn't stand the test of reason nor practical experience. The point of power is in the present. There is only NOW. Anyone who groks that will see thru the karma chameleon maya. Inavalan understands time and is a follower of Seth. And even Seth (!) says that karma is a nonsense. Most people are so overwhelmed by their past, that the present is like a crashing 20 foot wave. Of course we can learn to surf. That doesn't negate the law of karma. The law of gravity cannot be negated. But birds exist, as do planes. Consequences are always tied to actions. That's all karma means. Saying karma doesn't exist doesn't make it so. Karma is like a balloon payment we didn't know about because we didn't read the fine print. I had what I would call an understanding of what peeps call karma due to several years of feeling extremely sad and unworthy of happiness during my earlier days of self enquiry. The deeper I went the sadder I became until I had a string of visions and communications revealing a previous life had. It took me a year to accept that what had happened 500 odd years ago resulted in how I felt in this lifetime at this specific point. It took me a further 3 years to forgive myself let alone ask for forgiveness of other's for what I did. This is why I differ from other's whom see self enquiry as simply paying attention to I AM rather than actually looking at oneself from all directions, from all dimensions, from what we call the present and the past. One can't escape what they do, what they think, what they say for it's all recorded. The karmic wheel refers to what goes around comes around, it's not about damnation or punishment, it simply means one has to come to terms with oneself eventually. If peeps knew of themselves in such ways, then there would be few that could look themselves in the mirror and crack a genuine smile. The whole purification process has karma in mind. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 15:03:52 GMT -5
Most people are so overwhelmed by their past, that the present is like a crashing 20 foot wave. Of course we can learn to surf. That doesn't negate the law of karma. The law of gravity cannot be negated. But birds exist, as do planes. Consequences are always tied to actions. That's all karma means. Saying karma doesn't exist doesn't make it so. Karma is like a balloon payment we didn't know about because we didn't read the fine print. Forget karma. Karma is a misconception of LOA. And karma is tied to time and space. LOA is not. So you'd be better off studying LOA instead, because LOA trumps karma. LOA and LOK are not mutually exclusive. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 27, 2024 15:32:09 GMT -5
Most people are so overwhelmed by their past, that the present is like a crashing 20 foot wave. Of course we can learn to surf. That doesn't negate the law of karma. The law of gravity cannot be negated. But birds exist, as do planes. Consequences are always tied to actions. That's all karma means. Saying karma doesn't exist doesn't make it so. Karma is like a balloon payment we didn't know about because we didn't read the fine print. I had what I would call an understanding of what peeps call karma due to several years of feeling extremely sad and unworthy of happiness during my earlier days of self enquiry. The deeper I went the sadder I became until I had a string of visions and communications revealing a previous life had. It took me a year to accept that what had happened 500 odd years ago resulted in how I felt in this lifetime at this specific point. It took me a further 3 years to forgive myself let alone ask for forgiveness of other's for what I did. This is why I differ from other's whom see self enquiry as simply paying attention to I AM rather than actually looking at oneself from all directions, from all dimensions, from what we call the present and the past. One can't escape what they do, what they think, what they say for it's all recorded. The karmic wheel refers to what goes around comes around, it's not about damnation or punishment, it simply means one has to come to terms with oneself eventually. If peeps knew of themselves in such ways, then there would be few that could look themselves in the mirror and crack a genuine smile. The whole purification process has karma in mind. I hope someNOTHING is studying his Plotinus diagram. The ND people only-know what's apparent, they don't know anything about the deeper reality. Alignment more accurately means the alignment of all the subtle bodies, in relation to the ordinary consciousness. Without getting complicated, this means the Soul and then the Spirit/Causal body. So I respect your view and your experience. inavalan doesn't know I'm probably his best friend, here. Everybody is pretty-much compartmentalized within their own view, most don't know it. Knowing it is better than not-knowing it. Freedom is-not being able to move around in your own compartment. If you don't have experience of your Soul or Soul-and-Spirit/Causal body, you're compartmentalized. You can't see above your level of being. (Meaning, you think there is nothing *above you*). |
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Post by sharon on Jan 27, 2024 17:46:42 GMT -5
Most people are so overwhelmed by their past, that the present is like a crashing 20 foot wave. Of course we can learn to surf. That doesn't negate the law of karma. The law of gravity cannot be negated. But birds exist, as do planes. Consequences are always tied to actions. That's all karma means. Saying karma doesn't exist doesn't make it so. Karma is like a balloon payment we didn't know about because we didn't read the fine print. Forget karma. Karma is a misconception of LOA. And karma is tied to time and space. LOA is not. So you'd be better off studying LOA instead, because LOA trumps karma. I kind of get what you're trying to imply.. that karma is linear whereas the LOA that you experience is directly related to your state of being in this moment. But LOA is still experienced inside the time/space continuum right? |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2024 22:49:16 GMT -5
Forget karma. Karma is a misconception of LOA. And karma is tied to time and space. LOA is not. So you'd be better off studying LOA instead, because LOA trumps karma. LOA and LOK are not mutually exclusive. LOK is LOA misunderstood and misapplied. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2024 22:56:26 GMT -5
Forget karma. Karma is a misconception of LOA. And karma is tied to time and space. LOA is not. So you'd be better off studying LOA instead, because LOA trumps karma. I kind of get what you're trying to imply.. that karma is linear whereas the LOA that you experience is directly related to your state of being in this moment. But LOA is still experienced inside the time/space continuum right? You cannot have LOK in TEN, but you can have LOA in TEN. With LOA there is no time or space to bridge. Space and time are irrelevant factors to LOA. They only become relevant if you make them relevant, i.e. when you are limiting yourself to space and time. Then LOA is similar to LOK. That's also the reason why our standard ideas of cause and effect don't really apply to LOA. So LOA is at the basis of LOK. That's why I say forget karma, study LOA instead. |
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Post by lolly on Jan 28, 2024 5:22:12 GMT -5
I looked into it because the suggestion that kamma theory was derived from LOA sounds ludicrous on the face of it, and I was not at all surprised to find that historical accounts date LOA to occult practices of the late Victorian era. Occultists of that time derived LOA from ancient Eastern traditions including Hinduism and Buddhism. I only did a google search so it's just petty articles from Wiki and pretentious spiritual websites, but that's all I have to go on for now,butit's certainly plausible and I would be amazed if 'LOA' was vernacular pre 1850.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 28, 2024 6:25:16 GMT -5
I looked into it because the suggestion that kamma theory was derived from LOA sounds ludicrous on the face of it, and I was not at all surprised to find that historical accounts date LOA to occult practices of the late Victorian era. Occultists of that time derived LOA from ancient Eastern traditions including Hinduism and Buddhism. I only did a google search so it's just petty articles from Wiki and pretentious spiritual websites, but that's all I have to go on for now,butit's certainly plausible and I would be amazed if 'LOA' was vernacular pre 1850. You're kidding, right?  Of course, the term karma predates the term LOA. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. But what the term LOA refers to, is a principle that is prior to what the term karma refers to, because karma theory is basically LOA theory applied to time and space plus the personal context. LOA theory belongs to prior to time and space and the impersonal context. That's why LOA trumps LOK and why LOK is a distortion of LOA. TEN kills LOK, but not LOA. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 28, 2024 8:37:56 GMT -5
I looked into it because the suggestion that kamma theory was derived from LOA sounds ludicrous on the face of it, and I was not at all surprised to find that historical accounts date LOA to occult practices of the late Victorian era. Occultists of that time derived LOA from ancient Eastern traditions including Hinduism and Buddhism. I only did a google search so it's just petty articles from Wiki and pretentious spiritual websites, but that's all I have to go on for now,butit's certainly plausible and I would be amazed if 'LOA' was vernacular pre 1850. You're kidding, right? Of course, the term karma predates the term LOA. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. But what the term LOA refers to, is a principle that is prior to what the term karma refers to, because karma theory is basically LOA theory applied to time and space plus the personal context. LOA theory belongs to prior to time and space and the impersonal context. That's why LOA trumps LOK and why LOK is a distortion of LOA. TEN kills LOK, but not LOA. The act of setting an intention to bring about a desired outcome in the future is a decision that is made on a personal level. This practice is commonly employed by individuals who subscribe to the Law of Attraction. |
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