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Post by inavalan on Jan 17, 2024 13:58:19 GMT -5
In my understanding ... ... There can't be ideal realities because nobody would grow, because those that incarnate are at different levels of evolvement (like grades in school). We chose, this reality because we thought we'll handle it well. Some of us will end up learning a lesson in humility too. Tnank you, inavalan. Now I understand your POV better. I agreein part i.e. life brings us the experiences we require to get us beyond limitations. But also, I wonder, how are you certain that we choose life lessons before we get here? Is this your belief/faith or did you have some kind of direct experience or revelation about it? I am not certain of anything .... Maybe only that I somehow exist. Everything else I read from a memory I can access, but I don't know who and why wrote it, nor how reliable it is. According to what i read, over the years I had many experiences of contacting my inner guidance and learning how to learn, learning lessons, receiving guidance, that built a hypothetical view of some of reality, both physical and wider. This view is in continuous evolution, getting more meaning. I cautiously work with my hypotheses, suspecting that there are inherent distortions, and that my abilities are limited by my current level of evolvement. So, it isn't faith. I wouldn't call this direct experience or revelation either. I call it: working with my subconscious to tap my inner source of knowledge and guidance, while leaving aside as much as possible all my beliefs and expectations to minimize distortions. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 17, 2024 14:15:21 GMT -5
Tnank you, inavalan. Now I understand your POV better. I agreein part i.e. life brings us the experiences we require to get us beyond limitations. But also, I wonder, how are you certain that we choose life lessons before we get here? Is this your belief/faith or did you have some kind of direct experience or revelation about it? I am not certain of anything .... Maybe only that I somehow exist. Everything else I read from a memory I can access, but I don't know who and why wrote it, nor how reliable it is. According to what i read, over the years I had many experiences of contacting my inner guidance and learning how to learn, learning lessons, receiving guidance, that built a hypothetical view of some of reality, both physical and wider. This view is in continuous evolution, getting more meaning. I cautiously work with my hypotheses, suspecting that there are inherent distortions, and that my abilities are limited by my current level of evolvement. So, it isn't faith. I wouldn't call this direct experience or revelation either. I call it: working with my subconscious to tap my inner source of knowledge and guidance, while leaving aside as much as possible all my beliefs and expectations to minimize distortions. I would invite you to look at the Cheri Huber video on the Focus thread, seven minutes. She explains what it's like to work/experience directly, apart from conditioning, no beliefs. What you practice is what you have. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 17, 2024 15:33:53 GMT -5
In my understanding ... ... You can help those "unfortunate" children by your creating / experiencing a better probable world. But it matters what you really think more than what you do, again not delusionally, but by really evolving, and removing limiting beliefs layer by layer. You, here are a state of consciousness of a gestalt you might not be aware of, like a student who got carried away and forgot he's a kid that attends a school.... This sounds a great deal like Abraham-Hicks. I disagree with this. The only point of leverage is the present moment. Thinking always necessarily indicates the past, through memory, or the future through imagination. In thinking there is always a time differential. Thinking is like the wake of a boat. Now, yes, you can consider and think and plan, but you can only implement the plan moment by moment, in the present moment. And the doing is all that matters, not the thinking part. // We probably use some words differently. You, here, live only in the past, not in the moment. Whatever you experience now, it was a moment ago. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 17, 2024 15:39:47 GMT -5
In my understanding ... ... This sounds very like A-H. If you don't know them, Esther in like Jane Roberts and Abraham is like Seth. IOW, Abraham is using the body of Esther to talk. (If you don't know this, it sounds like Esther is talking about herself, "at her own expense"). As far as I know Esther is still in-the-flesh. // Hicks channels Abraham, Roberts channeled Seth. Those are the channeler's words, not the entity's. The entity doesn't express itself in words. What we get, what the channeler says is affected by the channeler's beleiefs and level of evolvement. It is normal that all channelers share some commonalities, because they describe what the entities transmit, whihc is about the same, although not identical. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 17, 2024 16:31:24 GMT -5
Tnank you, inavalan. Now I understand your POV better. I agreein part i.e. life brings us the experiences we require to get us beyond limitations. But also, I wonder, how are you certain that we choose life lessons before we get here? Is this your belief/faith or did you have some kind of direct experience or revelation about it? I am not certain of anything .... Maybe only that I somehow exist. Everything else I read from a memory I can access, but I don't know who and why wrote it, nor how reliable it is. According to what i read, over the years I had many experiences of contacting my inner guidance and learning how to learn, learning lessons, receiving guidance, that built a hypothetical view of some of reality, both physical and wider. This view is in continuous evolution, getting more meaning. I cautiously work with my hypotheses, suspecting that there are inherent distortions, and that my abilities are limited by my current level of evolvement. So, it isn't faith. I wouldn't call this direct experience or revelation either. I call it: working with my subconscious to tap my inner source of knowledge and guidance, while leaving aside as much as possible all my beliefs and expectations to minimize distortions.
Ah this reminded me of what I was asking on the other thread some days ago. In my view, any kind of process that we engage in comes with a trust, or a faith. So the highlighted, which is your process, would come with trust/faith. And if I recall, the question that was in my mind (and which is my mind now) is.....why do you engage with this process? What does this process give you, that you value? For example, do you enjoy it? Do you like the sense of ongoing growth? |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 17, 2024 17:57:39 GMT -5
I am not certain of anything .... Maybe only that I somehow exist. Everything else I read from a memory I can access, but I don't know who and why wrote it, nor how reliable it is. According to what i read, over the years I had many experiences of contacting my inner guidance and learning how to learn, learning lessons, receiving guidance, that built a hypothetical view of some of reality, both physical and wider. This view is in continuous evolution, getting more meaning. I cautiously work with my hypotheses, suspecting that there are inherent distortions, and that my abilities are limited by my current level of evolvement. So, it isn't faith. I wouldn't call this direct experience or revelation either. I call it: working with my subconscious to tap my inner source of knowledge and guidance, while leaving aside as much as possible all my beliefs and expectations to minimize distortions.
Ah this reminded me of what I was asking on the other thread some days ago. In my view, any kind of process that we engage in comes with a trust, or a faith. So the highlighted, which is your process, would come with trust/faith. And if I recall, the question that was in my mind (and which is my mind now) is.....why do you engage with this process? What does this process give you, that you value? For example, do you enjoy it? Do you like the sense of ongoing growth? . There is trust to some degree, that there is a purpose, a framework for its pursuing, including specialized help. It is the kind of trust you have in the school you enroll in. There is an understanding that I don't know, and part of what I know could be distorted. For me, all started from a need to find out the purpose of my existence, when I felt that my ordinary goals were achieved, and weren't satisfying. I enjoy it in the same way you enjoy learning, and successfully applying what you've learned. It isn't a matter of liking a sense of growth, but of feeling that I do whatever I came here to do: evolve, according to some very specific goals, with some success. My purpose isn't to feel good, or to advance the human race, as a student doesn't go to school to feel good or to make that school better. My goal here is to better the kid who enrolled in this school, and do my part of that. Some of these questions that I attempted to answer lately come from a different understanding of reality than mine, so it is likely that they don't receive satisfying answers. In fact, for anybody who asked, it shouldn't matter what I say, nor even what I mean, but my answers could be a catalyst, for the one who questions, to directly tap their own inner source of knowledge and guidance, consciously too, as I believe it happens anyway unconsciously. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 17, 2024 18:04:34 GMT -5
Ah this reminded me of what I was asking on the other thread some days ago. In my view, any kind of process that we engage in comes with a trust, or a faith. So the highlighted, which is your process, would come with trust/faith. And if I recall, the question that was in my mind (and which is my mind now) is.....why do you engage with this process? What does this process give you, that you value? For example, do you enjoy it? Do you like the sense of ongoing growth? . There is trust to some degree, that there is a purpose, a framework for its pursuing, including specialized help. It is the kind of trust you have in the school you enroll in. There is an understanding that I don't know, and part of what I know could be distorted. For me, all started from a need to find out the purpose of my existence, when I felt that my ordinary goals were achieved, and weren't satisfying. I enjoy it in the same way you enjoy learning, and successfully applying what you've learned. It isn't a matter of liking a sense of growth, but of feeling that I do whatever I came here to do: evolve, according to some very specific goals, with some success. My purpose isn't to feel good, or to advance the human race, as a student doesn't go to school to feel good or to make that school better. My goal here is to better the kid who enrolled in this school, and do my part of that. Some of these questions that I attempted to answer lately come from a different understanding of reality than mine, so it is likely that they don't receive satisfying answers. In fact, for anybody who asked, it shouldn't matter what I say, nor even what I mean, but my answers could be a catalyst, for the one who questions, to directly tap their own inner source of knowledge and guidance, consciously too, as I believe it happens anyway unconsciously. great answer for me to read, thanks. Second paragraph particularly was what I wanted to know. (And if 'trust' as a concept is better here than 'faith', that's fine) |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 17, 2024 21:54:00 GMT -5
I am not certain of anything .... Maybe only that I somehow exist. Everything else I read from a memory I can access, but I don't know who and why wrote it, nor how reliable it is. According to what i read, over the years I had many experiences of contacting my inner guidance and learning how to learn, learning lessons, receiving guidance, that built a hypothetical view of some of reality, both physical and wider. This view is in continuous evolution, getting more meaning. I cautiously work with my hypotheses, suspecting that there are inherent distortions, and that my abilities are limited by my current level of evolvement. So, it isn't faith. I wouldn't call this direct experience or revelation either. I call it: working with my subconscious to tap my inner source of knowledge and guidance, while leaving aside as much as possible all my beliefs and expectations to minimize distortions. I would invite you to look at the Cheri Huber video on the Focus thread, seven minutes. She explains what it's like to work/experience directly, apart from conditioning, no beliefs. What you practice is what you have. I watched it. I thought that even if I disagree with her beliefs, there'll be something I'll be able to, at least remotely, interpret as useful. I didn't. I also disliked her way of talking to the audience. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 17, 2024 22:11:29 GMT -5
I would invite you to look at the Cheri Huber video on the Focus thread, seven minutes. She explains what it's like to work/experience directly, apart from conditioning, no beliefs. What you practice is what you have. I watched it. I thought that even if I disagree with her beliefs, there'll be something I'll be able to, at least remotely, interpret as useful. I didn't. I also disliked her way of talking to the audience. OK You just met the con artist. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 17, 2024 22:37:00 GMT -5
I watched it. I thought that even if I disagree with her beliefs, there'll be something I'll be able to, at least remotely, interpret as useful. I didn't. I also disliked her way of talking to the audience. OK You just met the con artist. You mean the woman is a con artist? I agree, but I thought you actually liked her. Next time when you'll recommend something I'll probably decline. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 17, 2024 22:41:55 GMT -5
All, I moved all off topic posts here, as requested. R |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2024 7:58:13 GMT -5
OK You just met the con artist. You mean the woman is a con artist? I agree, but I thought you actually liked her. Next time when you'll recommend something I'll probably decline. No, that's not what I meant, I thought you were following along...on the Focus thread. Cheri Huber is not a con artist. Yes, I like her. And, she is not talking about her beliefs. She was talking to a friendly crowd, her people. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2024 8:24:05 GMT -5
This sounds a great deal like Abraham-Hicks. I disagree with this. The only point of leverage is the present moment. Thinking always necessarily indicates the past, through memory, or the future through imagination. In thinking there is always a time differential. Thinking is like the wake of a boat. Now, yes, you can consider and think and plan, but you can only implement the plan moment by moment, in the present moment. And the doing is all that matters, not the thinking part. // We probably use some words differently. You, here, live only in the past, not in the moment. Whatever you experience now, it was a moment ago.I explained moment by moment recently, I think it was to someNOTHING. Sports is a good example. The batter has to meet the pitched ball as it crosses the plate, swing too early, even if he hits it, foul ball right line, swings too late, foul ball left line (if he is a left-handed hitter, all vice versa if he hits right handed). Sports don't lie, a moment ago and you get no gold medal, or no Championship. In a race they are prepared to take a photo of the finish, because when it's very close, the human eye can't distinguish. But I understand the physiology of information transmitted by nerves, it doesn't happen instantaneously. But a moment is a very long time, in the body. I was a referee for women's softball once upon a time, and a few years a referee and linesman for youth amateur ice hockey. You have to stay present, mind can't go to La La Land (past or future), or you'll miss a call. Every meditate? Ever just watch your breath? That's a way to stay present, in the present moment. Not as dangerous as having fans mad at you for missing a call. Ever try ZD's ATA-T. The -T is very important, because thinking takes you our of the present moment. Ever watch football on TV? Ever see a guy on the sidelines get run over?, usually a cameraman. He can see the play coming at him, he's actually watching the play as it's happening. He has plenty of time to get out of the way, but he doesn't, he gets bowled over. Why? Ever see a receiver drop the ball, and the announcer will say, he tried to run before he caught the ball. True, the meaning of timing. We drafted Christian McCaffrey, he played years for the Carolina Panthers. He was superb even here, I don't have a clue why we traded him. But he found a good home in San Francisco. Even as a Back, he has over 50 receptions, not one dropped ball this year, 0 dropped passes‼️ . |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2024 8:35:33 GMT -5
Tnank you, inavalan. Now I understand your POV better. I agreein part i.e. life brings us the experiences we require to get us beyond limitations. But also, I wonder, how are you certain that we choose life lessons before we get here? Is this your belief/faith or did you have some kind of direct experience or revelation about it? I am not certain of anything .... Maybe only that I somehow exist. Everything else I read from a memory I can access, but I don't know who and why wrote it, nor how reliable it is. According to what i read, over the years I had many experiences of contacting my inner guidance and learning how to learn, learning lessons, receiving guidance, that built a hypothetical view of some of reality, both physical and wider. This view is in continuous evolution, getting more meaning. I cautiously work with my hypotheses, suspecting that there are inherent distortions, and that my abilities are limited by my current level of evolvement. So, it isn't faith. I wouldn't call this direct experience or revelation either. I call it: working with my subconscious to tap my inner source of knowledge and guidance, while leaving aside as much as possible all my beliefs and expectations to minimize distortions. This is the most genuine and honest thing you've written. Did you watch the "diaper-guy" video, just a few minutes long, a couple days ago? (That term came from laughter's wife, who first called Ramana diaper guy, it's a kind of term of affection, 'round here). His teaching was centered around the question; "Who am I"? You can follow that question all the way to your basic being. Most everybody here gets Ramana at least to some extent. Lots of stuff falls away asking that question. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 18, 2024 13:32:25 GMT -5
I am not certain of anything .... Maybe only that I somehow exist. Everything else I read from a memory I can access, but I don't know who and why wrote it, nor how reliable it is. According to what i read, over the years I had many experiences of contacting my inner guidance and learning how to learn, learning lessons, receiving guidance, that built a hypothetical view of some of reality, both physical and wider. This view is in continuous evolution, getting more meaning. I cautiously work with my hypotheses, suspecting that there are inherent distortions, and that my abilities are limited by my current level of evolvement. So, it isn't faith. I wouldn't call this direct experience or revelation either. I call it: working with my subconscious to tap my inner source of knowledge and guidance, while leaving aside as much as possible all my beliefs and expectations to minimize distortions. This is the most genuine and honest thing you've written. Did you watch the "diaper-guy" video, just a few minutes long, a couple days ago? (That term came from laughter's wife, who first called Ramana diaper guy, it's a kind of term of affection, 'round here). His teaching was centered around the question; "Who am I"? You can follow that question all the way to your basic being. Most everybody here gets Ramana at least to some extent. Lots of stuff falls away asking that question. That's why I made the reference to wearing a diaper in the post you replied to with that video, that I didn't watch. I browsed some Ramana quotes, and I found some of his views compatible with mine, although many seem (to me) interpreted differently by others. I don't know what was Ramana's intended meaning with "who am I", nor if the English version correctly reflects what he meant. What you assume to be true when you ask that question, will affect your answer. Even asking "who" and not "what" reflects a bias. Then, the method of learning will affect the answer further. |
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